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2018 Ontario Provincial Election Discussion

I will add at this juncture that with New York State moving to a $15 US minimum wage by 2021, and the provincial NDP promising $15 Cdn as part of their platform, I think Wynne/the Liberals will need to do something on this front; but probably well short of $15 in the near term.

Perhaps giving the minimum a bump of a $1-2 over the next 2 years.
 
We should offer some clarity at this juncture.
I've spent the past hour on and off looking for further on the story. There's nothing, because it has no inertia, and little impetus to impart any inertia. I find it odd how it came out yesterday as some kind of an announcement of policy when it's been in consideration for half a year, and is still in the consideration stage.

It was a desperate ploy on someone's behalf to make hay when the grass hasn't even ripened. I've got to repeat, I *really* don't want either of the two opposition parties to gain power, but the status quo is also unacceptable.

Wynne has to stand down to allow the Libs to get re-elected.
 
All this talk of Wynne stepping down, but no suggestions as to who her replacement would be. Hoskins? Someone from the 905?

There doesn't seem to be any obvious or viable answer.
 
There doesn't seem to be any obvious or viable answer.
Anyone but Wynne and her cabinet cohabitants.

The message from polls is starkly simple: Wynne is unelectable. The party is electable. Take the logic from there. Since the opposition are limp even when aroused, all the Libs have to do is find someone intelligent, articulate and *unencumbered* to allow the majority Ontarian to elect them. And avoid all the known faces, they're all damaged goods.

How obvious does it have to be for the Libs to get it? Status Quo means they may end-up as the third party, not even second.

Edit to Add: The parties have to get past this attitude of "I don't have to care what you want, you have to take me as I am". If the Libs can't find someone electable, then obviously they don't don't deserve to be in power.

I want the Libs to win, but not with Wynne and anyone else in that cadre that stinks of entitlement and corruption. And the same for the other two parties. The Cons were extremely effective and provided real leadership for this province for what was a dynasty until recent decades. And then they veered off the road to the right and into the ditch of dogmatic exclusion, rather than inclusion. And they've been stuck there ever since. The Libs somehow went off the road into a sinkhole in the middle. And Horwath? Can't take the lady on the best of days. Rae she ain't.

So what's going to happen is that the electorate is going to vote *against* the Libs, instead of against the opposition as they did last election. And it seems the Libs just don't get it.

Maybe they deserve to lose?
 
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Maybe they deserve to lose?
They deserve to lose, this isn't a point of argument. The problem is all of us Ontarians know that the provincial NDP and PC are just as bad and will be just as bad if not worse if given the reigns.

Can we live with the consequences of them losing?

I mean, there are some shining aspects to Liberals winning, most of all stability on the transit profile. RER is coming, and one more term in power can secure us several LRTs, Relief Line funding and potentially co-joint investment with the Feds.
 
Can we live with the consequences of them losing?

Certainly not in the city of Toronto. We have absolutely nothing to gain. The Conservatives serve a base that is openly hostile to transit spending in the GTA. Horwath refuses to commit to capital budget spending on transit, and her recently announced hydro plan will result in urbanites subsidizing rural hydro.

(Edit: That was a bit hyperbolic. I can see why a Torontonian would vote for the ONDP if they didn't plan on using new transit investments, didn't mind crowding on the subway, and wanted to see operating subsidies and bus frequencies increase.)
 
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Can we live with the consequences of them losing?
That's a brilliant and succinct way of putting it.

There's nothing wrong with the bus, it's on the right route and handles well. It's the driver and the company executive that needs to be changed, because customer service is abysmal.
 
And with that, the Liberals attempt to retake the message from the NDP!

Premier Kathleen Wynne to cut hydro rates by 25 per cent

Most of the reduction will come from the Ontario government stretching out the costs of electricity generation contracts. The savings impact should be immediate.

Premier Kathleen Wynne will slash electricity rates by 25 per cent this year, the Star has learned.

In a dramatic move to be finalized at cabinet Wednesday, Wynne’s government is poised to unveil sweeping measures to rein in the soaring hydro bills that currently have the Liberals’ popularity plummeting.

Sources say the massive reduction in rates will come mostly by “smoothing out” the financing costs of electricity generation contracts over longer periods.

It’s the equivalent of refinancing a mortgage to enjoy lower payments over a longer time on nuclear reactors, natural gas-fired power plants, and wind turbines.

Wynne’s office refused to confirm details of the 25 per cent solution Tuesday night.

But cabinet ministers are expected to approve the plan during a noon cabinet meeting at Queen’s Park with an announcement coming as early as Thursday.

The 25 per cent reduction includes the 8 per cent rebate of the provincial portion of the harmonized sales tax that took effect on Jan. 1.

While the provincial Liberals have not convinced Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to eliminate the 5 per cent federal share of the HST on hydro bills, they have found other savings.

“We’re taking it to the next level,” Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault told the legislature during Tuesday’s question period.

“We do recognize the system that we built — eliminating coal, rebuilding the grid — that cost billions of dollars. We know that cost actually came at the expense of many families,” he said.

Speaking to reporters later, Thibeault said he “would obviously like to have this out as soon as possible.”

“We’re looking right now at doing some very quick, tangible rebates that people will see in the very, very near future,” he said.

Extending the amortization periods for the life of nuclear, natural gas and wind and solar projects instead of the standard 20-year time period could cut the expense of contracted generation by more than $1.5 billion a year.

Ratepayers should soon see the positive impact on the “global adjustment” line of their monthly hydro bill.

The confusing global adjustment was added to bills in 2005 and is charged to cover the $50 billion cost of contracts with both public and private power generators who receive more than the market price for their electricity.


It is required because most power producers in Ontario are paid more than the going rate so they can build and maintain enough gas-fired power plants and nuclear reactors to ensure a reliable long-term electricity supply.

It also helps cover the controversial green energy premiums — or feed-in tariff payments — to those who generate wind and solar power for the grid.

The benefit of essentially refinancing the global adjustment is that consumers will see a break almost immediately on their bills.

Another smaller measure the government will adopt is to stop electricity ratepayers from bankrolling the Ontario Electricity Support Program, which gives up to $65 a month to low-income earners struggling with hydro prices.

Instead, the cost will be transferred to the broader tax base.


The changes should not affect Finance Minister Charles Sousa’s goal of balancing the books in the spring budget.

The Liberal plan comes days after NDP Leader Andrea Horwath pledged to reduce rates by between 17 per cent and 30 per cent by allowing ratepayers to opt out of time-of-use pricing and capping profits for private power producers supplying the grid.

Horwath also promised to buy back the Hydro One transmission utility, though that privatization has not had any effect on electricity rates that are set by the independent Ontario Energy Board.

The NDP leader’s plan included a pitch to Trudeau to remove the 5 per cent federal share of the HST on bills.

Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown, who is well ahead in public opinion polls, has been coy about what he would do if he won the election set for June 7, 2018.

On Tuesday, Brown would not set a specific percentage he’d like to see in hydro bill savings, but said “there needs to be a significant reduction to achieve affordability.”

“I’m not going to get into hypothetical numbers,” he said.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...-wynne-to-cut-hydro-rates-by-25-per-cent.html
 
Many people are saying they want a 50% hydro cut and free groceries, too. Give the people what they want...
Wynne et al are desperate.

TorStar has an excellent article explaining the high cost of electricity in Ontario and what to do to ameliorate it. It's written by an engineer who has published quite a few technical papers:

Explaining the rapid increase in energy prices: Opinion

The question today is — with electricity prices as high as they are — what are the options for the Ontario electricity sector? Can we simply stop digging, as we did in the early 1990s?
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/com...-rapid-increase-in-energy-prices-opinion.html
 
That article was clairvoyant: "It has been suggested the cost could be reduced by effectively refinancing or paying it down over a longer period."
 
That article was clairvoyant: "It has been suggested the cost could be reduced by effectively refinancing or paying it down over a longer period."
Yeah, it's far too coincidental to just be serendipity.

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Interesting note as a comparison to the earlier business survey:

The CFIB represents more than 100,000 small- and medium-sized businesses from all areas of the economy. Its 42,000 Ontario-based members employ about 500,000 people. CFIB’s recommendations for the 2017 Ontario budget stemmed from a major survey of its Ontario members. Following are some of its questions and the resulting responses from the 3,000 businesses completing the survey.

“How have your total business electricity costs changed during the past three years?” resulted in 87 per cent of business owners saying their costs had increased from five to 19 per cent (39 per cent of respondents) or 20 per cent or more (48 percent of respondents).

“How have electricity costs affected your business during the past three years?” resulted in 43 per cent stating electricity costs caused “delayed investments” including “hiring new employees.” Some 56 per cent of those responding to that same question indicated electricity costs forced them to increase prices of their products or services. Other responses to this question noted they had reduced employee hours or reduced the number of employees, and 13 per cent said they had considered actually either closing their business or relocating to another jurisdiction.

http://business.financialpost.com/f...iness-is-doing-to-survive-soaring-power-costs
 

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