Finch West Line 6 LRT

[JasonParis]

Anyone know why the LRT isn't 24 hours? If the streetcars downtown can run 24/7, the LRT should be able to also. Is it a contractual thing?

If it’s being treated as a higher-order line and shown on the subway map as such, I’m more curious why its hours don’t align with the subways'. I assume the same will apply to Line 5 as well? A 40-minute difference doesn’t really seem to serve much purpose and will likely inconvenience plenty of people out late.

 

[TRONto]

That's a good point. It is odd that the LRT hours don't align with the subway.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

That's a good point. It is odd that the LRT hours don't align with the subway.

If it’s being treated as a higher-order line and shown on the subway map as such, I’m more curious why its hours don’t align with the subways'. I assume the same will apply to Line 5 as well? A 40-minute difference doesn’t really seem to serve much purpose and will likely inconvenience plenty of people out late.

The last westbound Line 6 trip is at 1:05 AM, and last eastbound at 1:30 AM. I think it is due to the private maintainer Mosaic and also Metrolinx ownership of the line and it rearing it's head. Line 5 will likely be better, I mean it already only closes at 11 unlike Line 6 that closed at 10.

 

[Jonny5]

If it’s being treated as a higher-order line and shown on the subway map as such, I’m more curious why its hours don’t align with the subways'. I assume the same will apply to Line 5 as well? A 40-minute difference doesn’t really seem to serve much purpose and will likely inconvenience plenty of people out late.

There's a strange irony there in that David Miller's push to have all, or almost all, bus routes run to subway hours was framed at the time as a safety issue, as many using the subway at that time of day were young people going home from service jobs who felt vulnerable having to walk "the last mile" of their trip home well after midnight from stations where the buses had stopped running for the night, and the Blue Night network was much smaller then and less frequent.

Now we have the inverse with high complaints about safety while actually on the TTC late at night.

 

[smallspy]

If it’s being treated as a higher-order line and shown on the subway map as such, I’m more curious why its hours don’t align with the subways'. I assume the same will apply to Line 5 as well? A 40-minute difference doesn’t really seem to serve much purpose and will likely inconvenience plenty of people out late.

thettctransitfanatic's point about the maintainers is a pretty good one.

But keep in mind that the SRT's end time didn't align with the subway's, either. It's last trip outbound was at about the same time as the subway's last trip westbound - which meant that it ended service about 25 minutes before the last subway arrived. So it's not like there isn't a precedent for this.

Dan

 

[Bordercollie]

I understand the mention of stop removal, as it would be immensely beneficial, but it sits in the same realm of possibility as the elevating the at-grade segment of Line 5. City will never push for it, MX has no interest in mothballing infrastructure (even if it's worse than useless) and the whole neighbourhood would have a melt down if it was even attempted.

Project run times with TSP all you want, but the stops that are there, will stay, and it's a bit pointless to imagine what essentially amount to a rebuild of segments of the line.

How about making it stop request only?

 

[max]

How about making it stop request only?

That's a great idea! Unfortunately Metrolinx will then have to add bilingual announcements about it before every stop and this thread will grow by another five pages

 

[Jonathan's Junction]

How about making it stop request only?

lol, then the TTC will make the line even more unbearably slow so that they don't have to brake harshly for a sudden stop...

 

[T3G]

That's a great idea! Unfortunately Metrolinx will then have to add bilingual announcements about it before every stop and this thread will grow by another five pages

It would be fine if they simply said "request stop" and the French equivalent afterwards.

However, because it IS Metrolinx we're dealing with, they'd probably do some shit, with the volume turned up so loud it would defeat military grade noise cancelling headphones, like: "The next stop is a request stop. To request the next stop, ensure you press the stop request button well ahead of time. Remember to hold on or remain seated until the vehicle comes to a complete stop and to watch your step as you exit. This vehicle can stop at any time without warning and the danger is real. Ensure that you have all your personal belongings before exiting. Thanks for choosing Line 6." And then repeat in French.

Why anyone would have a problem with hearing that after every goddamn stop, who knows... /s

 

[jmi22]

New frontpage storey on the line: https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2026/03/signals-upgraded-finch-west-line-6-another-false-start.60586

Spoiler: It still sucks

 

[FW36]

Travel time using Finch West LRT today at 6pm

From Finch West Station to Albion was 30 minutes.
What this means is LRT was traveling about 16.68 km per hour.
To travel complete 10.3 km would take 37 minutes.

Again LRT still travels slow through intersections. Plus lots of delays that could have been avoided with extended green lights. Overall slight improvement.

 

[hawc]

Why is Line 5 nice and quick in it's outdoor sections, but Line 6 is still miserably slow?

 

[jmi22]

Travel time using Finch West LRT today at 6pm

From Finch West Station to Albion was 30 minutes.
What this means is LRT was traveling about 16.68 km per hour.
To travel complete 10.3 km would take 37 minutes.

Again LRT still travels slow through intersections. Plus lots of delays that could have been avoided with extended green lights. Overall slight improvement.

The whole trentched/tunneled stretch west of Westmore station is basically all between 5-15km/h so it's likely the total route would have been closer to 41 min

 

[ssiguy2]

As I understand it, when first proposed, this line would average 22km/hr. This is what was sold to both the public and QP and until it averages this speed, the TTC/City/ML have lied thru their teeth about the route. I bet if they were to ask the people back then if they would be willing to spend huge amounts of money with 5 years of construction to get a transit line that was only as fast {or even slower} than the current bus route, 99% would state a resounding no. Unfortunately they got exactly what they didn't ask for.

As for the blame in terms of construction, there is a lot by all parties involved but when it comes to operations this is 100% on City Hall and nothing on ML or the TTC. The TTC is nothing but an arm of the City. This is why the City sets the fares, budget, rapid transit expansion etc. The TTC runs the transit but completely under the domain of the City. If the City was to tell the TTC that they had to get rid of 95% of all transit stops or had to slow all buses to 5km/hr, the TTC would bitch but that's all they could do. The TTC cannot take the City to court because the TTC is part of the City. It's no different than the Ministry of Transportation taking Queen's Park to court. The TTC does what's it told. Full stop.

The reason for this line being ridiculously slow is NOT the TTC but the City. The TTC may run it slowly but that is only because the City allows it to. If gutless Chow was to tell the TTC this line must complete the route in 25 minutes, they would have no option but to it. That is the problem, Chow couldn't care less how slow the transit is because she rarely takes it and this line is in a lower income area that she's never been to. Chow, like her late husband, a left-wing Patrician who would probably get a nose bleed if she had to go north of Eglinton.

 

[nfitz]

As I understand it, when first proposed, this line would average 22km/hr. This is what was sold to both the public and QP and until it averages this speed, the TTC/City/ML have lied thru their teeth about the route.

I don't recall a speed faster than about 20 km/hr since Metrolinx became involved back in 2010. And there's indications they may achieve this.

... a transit line that was only as fast {or even slower} than the current bus route, 99% would state a resounding no. Unfortunately they got exactly what they didn't ask for.

Good job it's now beating the bus most times of the day then.

I'm not sure why months-old out-of-date stories are being repeated,