Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[innsertnamehere]

I think that stop (Lebovic) is mainly for when all of that area is redeveloped with all of the condo towers planned for that area. Makes me think of the Northbound Richmond and Queen stops with their spacing being very close. (Downtown I know, but awfully close).

It's just comically close to the two adjacent stations.

I mean, the westbound Warden platform is all of 75 metres from the eastbound Lebovic platform. Total stop spacing between Warden and Lebovic is less than 250 metres. It's a joke. Even if you deleted Lebovic, you would be looking at a 700 metre stop spacing between Warden and Pharmacy which is still very reasonable.

The Ferrand stop is similarly useless, requiring passengers to cross Eglinton at the DVP off-ramp (dangerous and unpleasant) and servicing very little in easy walking distance that wouldn't prefer to walk to Don Mills instead.

Metrolinx deleting those two stops would have substantially improved travel times on the surface alignment with a very, very minimal impact to riders.

 

[Steve X]

regarding speed - the Bloor Line between Kipling and Keele takes 13 minutes to go 6.7km with an average stop spacing of ~850 metres - the same stop spacing as the underground part of the Crosstown. This is an average speed of 31km/h.

Eglinton's underground speed should be generally similar. Which means the travel time for the 11km underground portion should be ~21 minutes.

To hit that 38 minute travel time, it means that the LRT would need to cover the ~8km surface portion in 17 minutes, or an average speed of 28km/h. I'm doubtful it'll be hit.

The western half of the surface portion will be relatively quick. There are just 5 signalized intersections from Laird to Victoria Park, across about 5km, and average stop spacing remains at about ~850m. Speed across here should be relatively strong - I could see 25km/h or greater. So lets assume 11 minutes to get to Victoria Park from Leaside, which leaves.. 6 minutes to get across the Golden Mile. There are 8 signalized intersections and 6 stations across 3km. This part will be SLOW. Probably like 20km/h, if that. Optimistically, probably another 9 minutes to cross that 3 km.

Total estimate travel time: ~41 minutes.

Also: The Lebovic stop still bothers the hell out of me. It's completely unnecessary.

The underground tunnel does allow the LRVs to run faster than the trains on Line 2. They should be able to get through quickly.

The Leslie turn will be a bottleneck. They should really allow the trains through before the long queue of turning traffic.

Double stopping will be allowing. The three lights at VP, Eglinton Square and Pharmacy will be very slow. They should grade separate this section.

I disagree with removing the Lebovic stop. Unless they totally remove that intersection and prevent shoppers from going through it, it won’t help with much.

I also expect that stop to be busy with shoppers. Perhaps they should just place one stop between warden and lebovic and get everyone to walk.

 

[hw621]

Oh my...is that a NEW Payphone!!!! It was probably installed before cell phones.... lol

(Photo from the Globe & Mail article)
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Speaking of which, is there cell phone service in the underground section?

 

[Voltz]

Speaking of which, is there cell phone service in the underground section?

Yes it was mentioned during an open house, hopefully by now they have had plenty of time to get it working.

 

[smallspy]

Eglinton's underground speed should be generally similar. Which means the travel time for the 11km underground portion should be ~21 minutes.

In testing, it does.

To hit that 38 minute travel time, it means that the LRT would need to cover the ~8km surface portion in 17 minutes, or an average speed of 28km/h. I'm doubtful it'll be hit.

In testing, it does not.

21 minutes seems to be a consistent number to go from Leslie to Kennedy.

Dan

 

[ThenWhat]

Given that RSD is now in progress, Metrolinx and/or the TTC will now finally have hard data on travel times. I for one am just dying to see the numbers.

But will I? Die, I mean, before I or any member of the public see those numbers, once the thing actually opens? I’m not saying that will happen. But it would be fully consistent with their record so far.

Toronto has the Open Data portal where various types of TTC data may be found. It would make good sense to include end-to-end travel times. I don't know if those will be included. If not then with some effort they could be computed from the reported delays and published schedules.

 

[nfitz]

If I'm not mistaken, there is a shelf/holder for a PHONE BOOK attached! Vintage!

I was really surprised to receive a copy of the 2025 yellow pages in my mailbox the other day. They are probably too thin for the holder.

 

[urbanclient]

In testing, it does.


In testing, it does not.

21 minutes seems to be a consistent number to go from Leslie to Kennedy.

Dan

21 minutes for the under and above ground section respectively for a total of ~42 minutes with no passengers but with a simulated dwell time for passenger movement, correct me if I am wrong. I can't help but expect the real world conditions to be slower than 42 minutes in testing. 21 minutes to travel 8km implies an average speed of 22.85km/h above ground. Given how weak the signal priority is, I'll believe it when I see it.

steamed-apple_juice:
"boarding and alighting an LRT will take longer than the subway due to door placement and internal circulation"

 

[Steve X]

21 minutes for the under and above ground section respectively for a total of ~42 minutes with no passengers but with a simulated dwell time for passenger movement, correct me if I am wrong. I can't help but expect the real world conditions to be slower than 42 minutes in testing. 21 minutes to travel 8km implies an average speed of 22.85km/h above ground. Given how weak the signal priority is, I'll believe it when I see it.

steamed-apple_juice:
"boarding and alighting an LRT will take longer than the subway due to door placement and internal circulation"

The testing trains run pretty slowly to account for those loading time.

It is ridiculous that the left turn signal for a few cars take priority over the hundreds of riders on the train. By simply placing the left turn phase after straight traffic, the same amount of cars still get through each cycle with the benefit of shaving off a few minutes. This city is so backwards.

 

[drum118]

It's just comically close to the two adjacent stations.

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I mean, the westbound Warden platform is all of 75 metres from the eastbound Lebovic platform. Total stop spacing between Warden and Lebovic is less than 250 metres. It's a joke. Even if you deleted Lebovic, you would be looking at a 700 metre stop spacing between Warden and Pharmacy which is still very reasonable.

The Ferrand stop is similarly useless, requiring passengers to cross Eglinton at the DVP off-ramp (dangerous and unpleasant) and servicing very little in easy walking distance that wouldn't prefer to walk to Don Mills instead.

Metrolinx deleting those two stops would have substantially improved travel times on the surface alignment with a very, very minimal impact to riders.

Since both stations are service by bus routes going north-south how do riders transfer to the LRT if one or both stations are remove?? How do you handle a walking transfer while maintaining the 2 hour windon for Presto without having riders having to pay an exta fare if they use time walking to/from an LRT station to/from the bus route??

 

[chrisw]

Since both stations are service by bus routes going north-south how do riders transfer to the LRT if one or both stations are remove?? How do you handle a walking transfer while maintaining the 2 hour windon for Presto without having riders having to pay an exta fare if they use time walking to/from an LRT station to/from the bus route??

Bus routes can be rerouted towards transfer points.

Anyways you're mistaken, Hakimi Lebovic and Aga Khan (Ferrand) both don't have bus route connections.

 

[smallspy]

21 minutes for the under and above ground section respectively for a total of ~42 minutes with no passengers but with a simulated dwell time for passenger movement, correct me if I am wrong.

Consider yourself corrected.

Operators have been simulating service at all stops, opening and closing the doors, but more importantly leaving them open for some time before initiating the closing sequence. The 21 minute figure is an average of travel times and factors in the traffic lights. Just like on the subway, that can be longer or shorter if the dwell time is lengthened or reduced.

Dan

 

[smallspy]

It's just comically close to the two adjacent stations.

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I mean, the westbound Warden platform is all of 75 metres from the eastbound Lebovic platform. Total stop spacing between Warden and Lebovic is less than 250 metres. It's a joke. Even if you deleted Lebovic, you would be looking at a 700 metre stop spacing between Warden and Pharmacy which is still very reasonable.

And how many trains will service the westbound Warden and then the eastbound Lebovic stops in that sequence?

Hint: It's none.

No matter how close those two stops may appear to be on a map, the reality is that they are still 330 metres away from each other to the trains and passengers onboard.

Metrolinx deleting those two stops would have substantially improved travel times on the surface alignment with a very, very minimal impact to riders.

Substantially? Not likely, with each stop only requiring a minute or less to service.

Dan

 

[innsertnamehere]

And how many trains will service the westbound Warden and then the eastbound Lebovic stops in that sequence?

Hint: It's none.

No matter how close those two stops may appear to be on a map, the reality is that they are still 330 metres away from each other to the trains and passengers onboard.


Substantially? Not likely, with each stop only requiring a minute or less to service.

Dan

If we are looking at a ~21 minute travel time on the surface portion of the line, 2 minutes saved means that's a 10% speed improvement. It's relatively substantial.

Saying the stations are 330 metres apart in reality, while true, still isn't really helping your case I don't think. "rapid transit" stops simply don't need to be that close together.

Regardless, what is done is done. The stations got built.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Since both stations are service by bus routes going north-south how do riders transfer to the LRT if one or both stations are remove?? How do you handle a walking transfer while maintaining the 2 hour windon for Presto without having riders having to pay an exta fare if they use time walking to/from an LRT station to/from the bus route??

Exactly what bus routes service Lebovic and especially Ferrand? Ferrand doesn't even have a cross-street for buses to run on. Lebovic also does not have an existing or planned bus route on it.