Amare
Senior Member
It should be a mandated watch as part of all TTC management training, and if one fails training they should be forced to re-watch it over and over again until they get a perfect score of 100%.
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TTC: Streetcar Network
- Thread starter wolfewood
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nfitz
Superstar
Still issues with it. That list of cities they showed is hardly a fair comparison. None in North America - with North American traffic? None with the kind of urban stop spacing that TTC uses (which is the primary speed issue).
There's nothing here we haven't discussed before. I don't think anyone here needs to waste the near half-hour.
Not that there isn't things that should change.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
nightstreak
Active Member
If Eglinton Line 5 and Finch Line 6 are light transit vehicles running in the middle of the road on their own ROW but stopping at intersections and terminating inside a subway station, then what’s stopping the TTC from giving the Spadina 510 a Line number and adding it to this map?
The 510 runs in a physically separated right of way out from Spadina station on Line 2 then in its own right of way along Queens Quay into Union Station with its own platform on Line 1. How are Finch or Eglinton any different?
The 510 runs in a physically separated right of way out from Spadina station on Line 2 then in its own right of way along Queens Quay into Union Station with its own platform on Line 1. How are Finch or Eglinton any different?
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Add the 501/507/508 between Roncesvalles and Park Lawn, once they get around putting in a right-of-way along Lake Shore east of Park Lawn.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Well despite all that infrastructure, the Spadina Streetcar only averages 10 km/h. The Finch West LRT averages a blazing...
*Checks notes*
14 km/h.
Oh no.
lead82
Senior Member
Having riding Line 6 today, my ride averaged about 12.4km/hr - 50mins to ride each way on a 10.3km route. Not vastly different from Spadina.
nightstreak
Active Member
I think the TTC is just pleasing Dear Leader. I’ve seen enough, this line is no different than the St. Clair’s streetcar — just much shorter. The fact that this gets a “subway” line designation and St. Clair (and frankly Spadina) does not is likely to do with DoFo and Rob’s “we don’t want no fancy streetcars in the middle of the road… SUBWAYS SUBWAYS SUBWAYS!”
I bet a future TTC will adjust the map to represent the true network, but it’s unlikely to remove lines, it’ll just have to add them. Spadina, Queens Quay and St. Clair are probably going to join the map once the dust settles.
Maybe make the lines thinner but keep the numbers. The Eglinton line would retain a thick line for the underground portion then thin out on the edges to represent a ROW. Queen, College, Dundas, Bathurst and King would remain thin red lines since they run in non-physically separated ROWs or in mixed traffic.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
Having the experience of riding the Finch LRT today and being a regular user of the St Clair streetcar, I must say that it is operationally practically identical, and a layperson would not understand why one has the distinction of a line on the subway map and the other does not.
If anything (and something I don't think was discussed much in the Finch thread yet because of the attention on the operating speeds) the Bombardier vehicles on our streetcar routes are much nicer to be on than the Alstom vehicles on the Finch route. Two adult sized males cannot comfortably sit across one another in the Alstom vehicles on the Finch route, whereas there is no hardship on the Bombardier vehicles.
I'm very glad that Line 5 Eglinton will use the same Bombardier Flexity Freedom rolling stock and not these Alstom vehicles.
If anything (and something I don't think was discussed much in the Finch thread yet because of the attention on the operating speeds) the Bombardier vehicles on our streetcar routes are much nicer to be on than the Alstom vehicles on the Finch route. Two adult sized males cannot comfortably sit across one another in the Alstom vehicles on the Finch route, whereas there is no hardship on the Bombardier vehicles.
I'm very glad that Line 5 Eglinton will use the same Bombardier Flexity Freedom rolling stock and not these Alstom vehicles.
nightstreak
Active Member
Is the gauge different? Hoping they don’t pull a switcharoo later and deploy the Alstom vehicles to the TTC network “for efficiencies”.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
Line 5, Line 6 and the Ontario Line are 1,435 mm gauge unlike the rest of the TTC network (streetcar, subway) which is 1,495 mm gauge.
The Alstom vehicles were originally ordered by Metrolinx because they feared Bombardier would not complete the Eglinton Crosstown order in time and they needed a backup in case, so they were intended to be compatible with Line 5 from the get-go.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Alstom bought the Bombardier's rail arm. So Line 5 and Line 6 use the same manufacture, but different models.