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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

Press Release is out:


Mostly what we knew, but the 30M service to Mt. Pleasant gets mention.

From the above:

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Any mention of timeline? This government loves announcements

I haven't watched the actual press conference.............I can rarely stand such things, and really, I can just wait on @Allandale25 to do that for us........ :p

Here's the feed for the press conference if anyone wishes to put themselves through that:
 
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Okay...I gotta ask, after how they botched the announcement of Niagara service expansion...

Does "four existing weekend trips that had previously stopped at Mount Pleasant GO will now continue on to Kitchener GO" mean four westbound trips that stopped at Mt Pleasant are getting extended, with four more trips returning eastbound? Or is it 2 WB + 2 EB = 4?
I would always assume 2+2 unless it specified round trips. Also four trips sounds more impressive than two round trips.
 
This is a pretty big deal: https://www.ctvnews.ca/kitchener/article/metrolinx-extending-weekend-go-trains-to-kitchener/

Starting on Nov. 23, four existing weekend trips that had previously stopped at Mount Pleasant GO will now continue on to Kitchener GO.

Meanwhile, a weekday trip that had been stopping at Guelph Central GO will carry on to Kitchener GO.

Metrolinx is also adding 18 new weekend trips between Bramalea GO and Union Station, two new weekday trips between Bramalea and Union Station, and two existing weekday trips will be extended from Malton GO to Bramalea GO.
The biggest Kitchener line increase since 2023 and possibly the biggest train service increase of the year, this is all around incredible to finally see. One could see this as maybe a coincide for Mount Dennis and the Crosstown as a whole hopefully opening by then?
 
I haven't watched the actual press conference.............I can rarely stand such things, and really, I can just wait on @Allandale25 to do that for us........ :p

Here's the feed for the press conference if anyone wishes to put themselves through that:
watching now, key points.
- system wide 109% recovery of precovid ridership apperently
- kw ridership hit 154% of precovid in september
- cn agreement is to purchase land for tracks
- 40km of twin tracks
- no timeline due to the fact that the construction contracts havent went out yet and probably wont for quite some time knowing MX.
- media followed up for timeline on the 2wad 7days a week and dodged again
- possible incremental increase in service even during construction.
 
As if by magic, work seems to be picking up on the Strachan - Parkdale - Bloor portion of the Kitchener line
- telecom work at Parkdale
- grading and sound walls where the Barrie line diverges, hinting at double track on that line
- new and relocated “green zone” jersey barriers to protect work where the fourth track will be built south of Bloor (the former barriers south of Bloor are gone, meaning that stretch is ready for track laying
- Work reaumed on the Randolph underpass
- lots of grading and new temporary access roads across the CPKC Mactier Sub at the St Clair station site
- Continued major earthmoving at Resources Road
- track components hinting at installing the switch between the new track and the CP interchange at Black Creek
- a lot of preliminary grading and civil work at the Woodbine station site

If ML wanted to do this right, they would divulge their scope statement and some preliminary high level order of activity projections. I doubt they will. But this is all very encouraging that things are in motion and not just a paper plan or paper thin political promise.

- Paul
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Interesting, so it does seem to indicate an agreement to build a dedicated 2-track corridor adjacent to CN's in the area to separate services entirely similar to what exists on LSE through Durham.

@Allandale25 - so CN would be left with 2 tracks of their own, narrowing to 1 through downtown brampton in the pinch point, and Metrolinx would have 2 tracks from Toronto through to Georgetown?

I do wonder if they are still planning the flyover as well.
 
Agreed.

Lets see what other tidbits are in the article... brought to us by @LNahid2000 (who may not post as often as he used to but still to great effect)

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The ultimate service goal isn't a surprise, and actually silent on how many trains will reach Mt.Pleasant. My recollection being the one-time commitment was 15M to Bramalea, 30M to Mt. Pleasant and hourly to K-W.

Also, no mention of further speed improvements.

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On specific infra, we have 40km of new track (how does that match previous plans?) but I don't see any flyunder.......
My impression of this announcement is bad news for the short term but good news for the long term.

Saying that the work "will allow for 60-minute AD2W service to Kitchener" is effectively announcing that hourly service will be delayed by about a decade compared to its originally-planned start date of September 2023. (I'm optimistially assuming it will take about 8 years to complete all the planning and construction for the widened corridor based on Metrolinx's track record)

The "requirement" to build a dedicated corridor along the CN line is a product of negotiations with CN, not a physical limitation of the track capacity. CN's existing line is fully double-tracked with segments of triple-track, which is already quite generous for the 2 trains per hour per direction we're talking about here (1 CN/Via, 1 GO to Kitchener).To run hourly service all they technically need to do is finish the work they already started:
- Breslau passing track (complete)
- Guelph passing track and second platform (platform complete and connecting track just starting construction)
- Acton passing track (starting construction soon, I think?)
- Georgetown second platform and passing track (in the tender pipeline, but can't remember its status).
- The new double-tracked station in Kitchener is required for the planned/existing half-hourly peak service but isn't technically required for hourly off-peak.

The fact that AD2W service is still another decade away makes it especially frustrating that they set up the Breslau passing track such that every train needs to slow down to 72 km/h even when they're not meeting any oncoming train. Trains previously cruised through Breslau at up to 112 km/h. If we're looking for ways to speed up service, eliminating the slow zone that Metrolinx created artificially for no apparent reason seems like fairly low-hanging fruit. They just need to replace the switch west of Breslau so that the main route leads to the south track rather than the north.

Generally speaking this seems like a very positive announcement. Acquiring land implies that GO will have much greater autonomy over the new southern pair of tracks than the original proposal, where all 4 tracks would be dispatched at the whim of CN. With Metrolinx actually owning the southern pair of tracks they would presumably be able to dispatch them themselves, or at least have a strong agreement with CN to keep them free for GO/Via trains.

As others have noted, it is very suspicious that they didn't mention the flyunder. Like I said above, the flyunder was never technically required for hourly service, but was definitely a nice-to-have to reduce delays related to CN. The Kitchener business case document noted that they estimated they'd need to add 8 minutes of schedule padding (per direction) if GO trains consistently cross CN at-grade near Georgetown.
 
As others have noted, it is very suspicious that they didn't mention the flyunder. Like I said above, the flyunder was never technically required for hourly service, but was definitely a nice-to-have to reduce delays related to CN. The Kitchener business case document noted that they estimated they'd need to add 8 minutes of schedule padding (per direction) if GO trains consistently cross CN at-grade near Georgetown.

There is no mention of the train fly under but its in the drawings that are actively being worked on.
 
My impression of this announcement is bad news for the short term but good news for the long term.

Saying that the work "will allow for 60-minute AD2W service to Kitchener" is effectively announcing that hourly service will be delayed by about a decade compared to its originally-planned start date of September 2023. (I'm optimistially assuming it will take about 8 years to complete all the planning and construction for the widened corridor based on Metrolinx's track record)

That 2023 date might have been thrown out, but I wonder if it was ever seriously credible. Certainly, if a deal had been inked with CN back around 2018-2019 - at the time when Phil Verster claimed it was his highest priority - the most important portion, between Bramalea and Georgetown, might be much further along than now. ML hasn't exactly rocketed ahead with other projects in the same timeframe, so it was probably as wishful a date as lots of others.

It's certainly grating that ML didn't bother doing the work that they knew was necessary on their own portion of the line (although there was some remedial work done back when ML first purchased the Silver-Kitchener portion). No excuse for how long it has taken to execute Breslau, Guelph, and Acton. For that matter, the Harvest Road layover yard was being planned 15 years ago! Nevertheless, the CN portion is the throttling obstacle to any real upgrade, even if other parts fall into place.

The "requirement" to build a dedicated corridor along the CN line is a product of negotiations with CN, not a physical limitation of the track capacity. CN's existing line is fully double-tracked with segments of triple-track, which is already quite generous for the 2 trains per hour per direction we're talking about here (1 CN/Via, 1 GO to Kitchener).To run hourly service all they technically need to do is finish the work they already started:
- Breslau passing track (complete)
- Guelph passing track and second platform (platform complete and connecting track just starting construction)
- Acton passing track (starting construction soon, I think?)
- Georgetown second platform and passing track (in the tender pipeline, but can't remember its status).
- The new double-tracked station in Kitchener is required for the planned/existing half-hourly peak service but isn't technically required for hourly off-peak.

If you scroll up, the procurement on most of those was documented, and has slipped badly. Most of that work has not even started, so it's beyond a "just finish it" proposition.

I can't blame CN for refusing to allow any further upgrade to service without a deal being signed. Too much room for Ontario to back down or defer funding, leaving CN absorbing the added trains and Ontario having no incentive to complete the investment. ML and Ontario are just not trustworthy and a bait-and-switch would have been predictable.

I'm hoping that the announced service upgrades are a sign that CN has found good reason to believe ML will finish this work. I wonder what penalty clauses there might be in event of cancellation or scaleback.

I would have hoped that as part of the "in good faith" short term enhancements, CN would have been asked to allow at least one counter peak trains.... but since ML hasn't done the necessary work on their own section, I suppose that is moot.

The fact that AD2W service is still another decade away makes it especially frustrating that they set up the Breslau passing track such that every train needs to slow down to 72 km/h even when they're not meeting any oncoming train. Trains previously cruised through Breslau at up to 112 km/h. If we're looking for ways to speed up service, eliminating the slow zone that Metrolinx created artificially for no apparent reason seems like fairly low-hanging fruit. They just need to replace the switch west of Breslau so that the main route leads to the south track rather than the north.

I have been led to believe that the east end of that siding was meant to be temporary and the double track will soon extend further east, eliminating the east end diverging turnout. That item is supposedly past procurement, but I'm not totally sure of how quick it is to happen. But yeah, it's a really dumb configuration that never should have been done.

It does sound like the end plan has a "do it once and get it right" theme, which for ML is an achievement.

- Paul
 

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