sixrings
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It really doesn’t matter does it… we understand.
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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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T3G
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If you don't, they will make you understand
chrisw
Active Member
Some official confirmation on the definition of 8 trips (going from 6 to 8 daily trips). Though I say the wording here and in the press release is all a mess.
“Currently, there are a total of six trips, three in each direction, every day of the week, between Union (Station in Toronto) and Niagara Falls GO,” said Metrolinx in a statement to the Niagara Falls Review.
“With two new trips to and from Niagara on weekends beginning Nov. 1, we’ll be offering eight trips every Saturday and Sunday between Union and Niagara. Weekday service levels to and from Niagara will remain the same, with some minor schedule adjustments.”
Metrolinx said updated schedules will be posted on GOTransit.com in the upcoming weeks.
www.niagarafallsreview.ca
“Currently, there are a total of six trips, three in each direction, every day of the week, between Union (Station in Toronto) and Niagara Falls GO,” said Metrolinx in a statement to the Niagara Falls Review.
“With two new trips to and from Niagara on weekends beginning Nov. 1, we’ll be offering eight trips every Saturday and Sunday between Union and Niagara. Weekday service levels to and from Niagara will remain the same, with some minor schedule adjustments.”
Metrolinx said updated schedules will be posted on GOTransit.com in the upcoming weeks.
Weekend GO train service expanding in Niagara
Beginning Nov. 1, GO train service between Niagara Falls and Toronto will increase to eight trips, making weekend travel more consistent and flexible, says Metrolinx.
www.niagarafallsreview.ca
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chrisw
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According to Reddit, the reason given was crew availability.
Northern Light
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Some official confirmation on the definition of 8 trips. Though I say the wording here and in the press release is all a mess.
“Currently, there are a total of six trips, three in each direction, every day of the week, between Union (Station in Toronto) and Niagara Falls GO,” said Metrolinx in a statement to the Niagara Falls Review.
“With two new trips to and from Niagara on weekends beginning Nov. 1, we’ll be offering eight trips every Saturday and Sunday between Union and Niagara. Weekday service levels to and from Niagara will remain the same, with some minor schedule adjustments.”
Metrolinx said updated schedules will be posted on GOTransit.com in the upcoming weeks.
Weekend GO train service expanding in Niagara
Beginning Nov. 1, GO train service between Niagara Falls and Toronto will increase to eight trips, making weekend travel more consistent and flexible, says Metrolinx.
This aligns with what I understand 4 trips each way on Saturday and Sunday (4 round trips).
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The wording is incredibly bad, infuriatingly bad. Even as they are releasing 'good news' they mess it up by making it clear as mud.
Part of it is that in the same press release, never mind variations from one to the next, they can use 'trips' to mean one-way or two way.
The language should clearly be 100% consistent, and in general I would prefer round trips to be the consistent choice as people generally require a trip in each direction for a service to be useful.
WB62
Senior Member
It was a full on mistake, not just bad wording:
The service announcement was updated recently to fix the mkstake:
The service announcement was updated recently to fix the mkstake:
Northern Light
Superstar
Right, but even the above is wrong.
In that, it could be read as 8 trips on each of Saturday, and Sunday or 16 trips in total.
The correct wording is 4 round trips on both Saturday and Sunday.
* The first variation isn't even worse than the second, because either could be understood the same way. The original and re-hashed wordings are both bad.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Hopefully the Niagara Falls layover happening will allow for an additional daily round trip simply because it eliminates a round trip to Lewis Road?
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Allandale25
Senior Member
This was posted by WB62 on a Discord server:
From what I’ve been able to gather, this will be the service beginning, stopping, or terminating at Confederation GO from October 27th:
Monday-Friday:
Confederation 05:50-Union Station 07:17
Confederation 06:51-Union Station 08:18
Confederation 07:34-Union Station 09:04 - NF
Confederation 11:08-Union Station 12:45
Confederation 14:04-Union Station 15:27 - NF
Confederation 19:07-Union Station 20:45
Confederation 21:01-Union Station 22:26 - NF
Union Station 09:10-Confederation 10:35 - NF
Union Station 11:47-Confederation 13:24
Union Station 16:00-Confederation 17:26
Union Station 17:00-Confederation 18:25 - NF
Union Station 18:47-Confederation 20:24
Union Station 22:07-Confederation 23:32 - NF
Saturday-Sunday:
Confederation 07:07-Union Station 08:45
Confederation 08:07-Union Station 09:45
Confederation 09:07-Union Station 10:45
Confederation 12:55-Union Station 14:25 - NF
Confederation 16:57-Union Station 18:24 - NF
Confederation 19:07-Union Station 20:45
Confederation 20:55-Union Station 22:23 - NF
Confederation 23:01-Union Station 00:29 - NF
Union Station 09:04-Confederation 10:29 - NF
Union Station 11:09-Confederation 12:34 - NF
Union Station 14:47-Confederation 16:23
Union Station 17:07-Confederation 18:32 - NF
Union Station 18:47-Confederation 20:24
Union Station 19:22-Confederation 20:47 - NF
Union Station 20:47-Confederation 22:24
All trips beginning or ending at Confederation come or go to Lewis Road Yard, no trips turn around at Confederation.
NF are the Niagara Falls trips, those trip departure times are not officially defined, I based those off the existing trip times to West Harbour, plus or minus the travel time to Confederation (15 minutes).
goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
good thing the DB contract that wanted to reduce staffing requirements was thrown in the trash!
T3G
Senior Member
How exactly can you reduce staffing requirements?
You need a driver, you need the CSA to operate the doors and be in charge of everything, and, if my recent experiences are anything to go by, you need someone to respond to a yellow alarm on nearly every train... I don't see a lot of room for downsizing.
You need a driver, you need the CSA to operate the doors and be in charge of everything, and, if my recent experiences are anything to go by, you need someone to respond to a yellow alarm on nearly every train... I don't see a lot of room for downsizing.
Northern Light
Superstar
T3G
Senior Member
That's exactly what I'm saying. I can't see how DB proposed to reduce the staffing requirements, unless they were to axe the second person in the cab, which seems unworkable to me unless you have the CSA respond to alarms instead, which in turn is a thought not compatible with the extreme frequencies GO Expansion promised once.
crs1026
Superstar
Well, considering how many systems worldwide operate with one in the cab and one onboard, I wouldn’t say never.
What DB underestimated was, just how much change is needed for that to work here, both in equipment and physical plant, and in the operating and regulatory regimes.
However…. Ultimately it can and should be done, but patiently and with a sufficiently rigourous pkan.
- Paul