TropicalPenguin
New Member
Are there plans to paint these trains in the same TTC colourway, which we see on the streetcars?
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drum118
Superstar
No as ML own the cars and want their own colours to keep them separate from other systems colours. Finch and Hurontario cars are the same colour as Eglinton.
TTC is only operates the line under a 5 year contract at this time in place of the original of having X doing it as per the bid contract track Same goes for Finch with Hurontario going with X.
zang
Senior Member
Because reckless and bad driving has increased since the pandemic.
New data reveal reckless driving has increased post-pandemic
While traffic accidents and fatalities increased during the pandemic, new data show that drivers are now also more reckless than pre-COVID.
insurancenewsnet.com
Driving habits post pandemic are "getting more dangerous"
Travelers Institute president points to need for better education and rewards for safer driving
www.insurancebusinessmag.com
And if the insurance industry thinks it's a problem, you know it's real.
Cambry Ardship
Active Member
Both of those links are american and the trajectory for road safety in Canada is not the same.
Here's a very recent article about the divergence in outcomes: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ing-in-different-directions-on-traffic-safety.
Here's a very recent article about the divergence in outcomes: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ing-in-different-directions-on-traffic-safety.
T3G
Senior Member
^ you wouldn't realize that to be the case at all if you stand around any random intersection in Toronto for 5 minutes. If you told me they were handing out driver's licenses like a free giveaway, I would have no reason to doubt you.
PurplePinky
Active Member
I’m concerned about these ‘cars’ aging and rusting out while the drivers continue to do practice runs.
This has been going on for quite some time, I’d like to think they could now be filled with passengers.
Many bus stops have been shut down and the public has been waiting far too long.
Let’s go folks, way past time to open the LRT.
This has been going on for quite some time, I’d like to think they could now be filled with passengers.
Many bus stops have been shut down and the public has been waiting far too long.
Let’s go folks, way past time to open the LRT.
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Northern Light
Superstar
That's a very good piece, thanks for posting.
I would offer that something I found noteworthy is that while Canada's stats are tracking favourably vs the U.S. we're still only middle-of-the-pack when comparing to a wider range of OECD countries.
So the piece really indicates, Canada is doing ok, a bit better than in the past, but its not outstanding, where the U.S. is really bottom-of-the-barrel in traffic safety.
toonderly
Active Member
What on earth purpose does this serve? I can understand GO branding being different from the TTC because there is a fare difference issue and it benefits the public to be aware of it. But in this scenario where the LRT is part of the TTC network and the public should be able to treat it as such it feels like marking it as different can only lead to confusion.
kev1n1m
Active Member
Not sure where you heard this, but you generally know everything drum. I read (from Metrolinx, early in the process of building Line 5) that the grey was chosen to match higher-order transit, specifically the Line 1 Toronto Rockets. This doesn't really hold the test of time (like everything Metrolinx does) because the Line 3 trains and the new Line 2 trains will all sport color to some degree, albeit not as much as the CLRV or SRT cars.
zang
Senior Member
I would have assumed the TTC stopped painting subway cars simply because it's been cash starved for decades and could save a few bucks; not for any aesthetic reason.
zang
Senior Member
Am I wrong, or does the data not cover Canada past 2020? Post-covid stuff has certainly changed. I don't know if it's the links to covid and brain damage, but it's so rare that I don't see terrible infractions at every single intersection I cross.
fiendishlibrarian
Active Member
Cambry Ardship
Active Member
I agree there's lot of traffic safety issues still (and I encounter them almost everyday too), but for a host of reasons that doesn't seem to translate into the same trends that the americans are seeing with increasing numbers of collisions.
Here's Toronto's serious automobile collision statistics (from https://data.torontopolice.on.ca/pages/automobile). Obviously there's going to be far more minor collisions but the trendlines are moving in the right direction, if all too slowly.
To tie it back more directly to Line 5, my hope is that this means the various responsible bodies in Toronto are capable of taking measures that, at the minimum, over time, reduce number of collisions with the LRVs.
I've got to imagine increasing familiarity will play a role in safety too. When I saw them relatively close in-person for the first time, I was surprised how big the LRVs were. I was picturing in my mind sort of a larger streetcar but they are very much bigger and quicker moving.
Here's Toronto's serious automobile collision statistics (from https://data.torontopolice.on.ca/pages/automobile). Obviously there's going to be far more minor collisions but the trendlines are moving in the right direction, if all too slowly.
To tie it back more directly to Line 5, my hope is that this means the various responsible bodies in Toronto are capable of taking measures that, at the minimum, over time, reduce number of collisions with the LRVs.
I've got to imagine increasing familiarity will play a role in safety too. When I saw them relatively close in-person for the first time, I was surprised how big the LRVs were. I was picturing in my mind sort of a larger streetcar but they are very much bigger and quicker moving.
duffo
Active Member
They are nearly the same vehicle as the TTC streetcars, both are Bombardier Flexities. The LRT just has two coupled together whereas streetcars are solo.
nfitz
Superstar
It was my observation, returning to a similar commute in 2023 that I left in 2009, that things were much worse. The racists blame non-white immigrants, but the folks I had verbal interactions with, they most certainly weren't in that category! Sure, failing to stop while turning on red lights and stop signs was common enough back then - but the extreme turning right across traffic from the outer lane (at speed even!) and trying to overtake people on the shoulder (and then honking the horn if someone was too far to the side) wasn't like this. Or the sense of privilege and tendency towards conflict.
That said, are diverting outcomes between Canada and the USA perhaps the difference between the numbers of people driving cars, versus pedestrian-killing SUVs and oversized farmer trucks?