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Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)

And yet the Liberal governments, as slow and backtracking as they've been, have been far more active on this file than other parties. This is a clear sign that PM Carney is on board - unlike with VIA Fast under the Chretien (Liberal) government that Martin (Liberal) killed as fast as he could when he became PM.
This was not meant to be a party endoresement, but just like the Wynne liberals, the Trudeau liberals seemed determined to delay this project by relentlessly scopecreeping it until they finally lose power and can blame all inaction on their successors. I sincerely hope that they will have more than just $4 billion worth of studies to show by the time they will inevitably lose power…
 
Another good sign today - the CEO says the train should come all the way into downtown Toronto:
This should not come as a surprise for anyone here. The success of HSR crucially depends on accessing the main nodes of any metropolitan areas it serves and in the GTHA, nothing comes even remotely close to Union Station…
 
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In the slim 5% chance PP is a minority government and stays in... however unlikely. Theres no way he will cancel it. The conservatives only complaint is the lack of timelines and details. Of which they will happily gatekeep and proudly announce details 4 years later like it was their own
 
Summerhill is still technically downtown
I would not define anything north of Bloor (maybe Yorkville) as downtown, and I'm fairly certain I'm not alone in that assessment. There is nothing around Summerhill that would make it a downtown destination - no arts, culture, business, or tourist attractions (except for the North Toronto station!)

If you have to transfer to another train to get to what most people would define as "downtown", it hasn't taken you downtown.

I forget, why exactly would an HSR train go to Summerhill? I see the arguments, generally, for midtown line service, but as a premium intercity transport service, I see very little utility in it going here.
 
I would not define anything north of Bloor (maybe Yorkville) as downtown, and I'm fairly certain I'm not alone in that assessment. There is nothing around Summerhill that would make it a downtown destination - no arts, culture, business, or tourist attractions (except for the North Toronto station!)

If you have to transfer to another train to get to what most people would define as "downtown", it hasn't taken you downtown.

I forget, why exactly would an HSR train go to Summerhill? I see the arguments, generally, for midtown line service, but as a premium intercity transport service, I see very little utility in it going here.
The traffic on the LSE corridor especially post Go-Expansion.
Also the complexity of connecting to the existing cp sub through Peterborough.
Its been discussed before with probable solutions but simple is usually the easiest
 
My initial read was that this is likely front-running, “oh we won’t go into downtown MTL though.”
 
I forget, why exactly would an HSR train go to Summerhill? I see the arguments, generally, for midtown line service, but as a premium intercity transport service, I see very little utility in it going here.
Exactly: if you already have frequent commuter rail service to Union Station (i.e., at least one train every 15 minutes), additional services to midtown can be a useful addition to minimize travel times for a minority of passengers (i.e., for those for which Summerhill is more convenient than Union Station). Given that frequencies for intercity services are much less frequent, using Summerhill instead of Union Station for HSR (even a subset of the trips offered!) would be insanely stupid and nothing any serious investor would commit billions of dollars for…
 
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I forget, why exactly would an HSR train go to Summerhill? I see the arguments, generally, for midtown line service, but as a premium intercity transport service, I see very little utility in it going here.

There is no good reason, except for some peoples' fixation with North Toronto as an interesting addition to the regional rail network.

While that has been studied in the past, there is no evidence that anyone is actually making a serious move in this direction.

Even if that were to happen, it would be as an adjunct to the main hub at Union Station. Bringing HSR to anywhere other than Union is counter-productive and utterly unlikely.

(Oddly, some of the same people who argue for North Toronto also argue for moving Ottawa;s station back downtown, for the very opposite reasons they argue for North Toronto. Go figure.)

- Paul
 

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