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November 2020 US Election

Since Election Day, many Trump campaign staffers have been huddled on a noisy floor in the campaign's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters fielding hundreds of calls a day on a hotline the campaign set up as they try to find instances of voter fraud, multiple sources told ABC News.

But the hotline has turned into a nightmare for some, as staffers, some of whom have contracts that expire in the coming days, have been bombarded with prank calls from people laughing or mocking them over Biden's win before hanging up, sources tell ABC News. Prank calling the Trump campaign's hotline has already become a trend on TikTok, the social media network that was used earlier in the year in an attempt to tank the president's rally in Tulsa by mass-requesting tickets.
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Inside the Trump campaign as it grapples with defeat while plowing forward with legal fight

Inside the campaign, fatigue and disappointment has hit the rank and file on the president’s team, and the reality is settling in that the president lost the election.
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😭 Sometimes, America is great.

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So what you guys are saying Alexander Hamilton was right and Thomas Jefferson was wrong?
American was better off copying the British System?


The problem with the USA is to get the power away from the small states you have to get the small states to say yes to make themselves irrelevant...

That seems impractical.
 
Jasmine18 said:
So what you guys are saying Alexander Hamilton was right and Thomas Jefferson was wrong?
American was better off copying the British System?


The problem with the USA is to get the power away from the small states you have to get the small states to say yes to make themselves irrelevant...

That seems impractical.
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Ah, but the 'BigStates' have the money.............and in America, as much (or more) than elsewhere..........money can talk.
 
1) The Electoral College would be less of an issue if the size of the House of Representatives wasn't capped.

2) The Senate might be less of an issue if more states (Puerto Rico, Guam, Washington DC) were added.

Also, at some point Democrats need to learn how to win in purple states. Texas didn't flip this year. But losing by 5-6 points is amazing. Georgia flipping is amazing. If the Democrats can invest in developing the infrastructure in those states, they could be rewarded with Senate seats down the road.
 
Richard White said:
What would be better is giving states an equal number of votes, 50 electors for 50 states. This is better than having to do the math on election day hoping to win the presidency.
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That would make matters worse, and less democratic than ever!

Why should 40 million Californians get the same 1 vote for all of them as 600,000 Wyoming residents?

At 1 EC vote per State, you could be giving a resident of Wyoming 67 de facto votes for every 1 California vote.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Keep the College, but have it distribute votes proportionally rather than winner takes all.
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There's plenty of ways to get to a system that is close to proportional. But what all of these discussions with foreigners always miss, is that the smaller states (and not just red states) have zero incentive to move towards a system that is proportional. Will never happen. What incentive do states like Delaware and Rhode Island have to give up the Electoral College? Who would ever visit New Hampshire without the EC? So the only way left is to blunt the exaggerations of the Electoral College.

The Electoral College vote of a given state, is simply the sum of the total House seats and the 2 senate seats. Increase the number of House seats and the relative voting power of each Electoral College declines, while populated states benefit more. It won't completely get rid of the disparity. But it's something that could be implemented with simple legislative change. No constitutional amendment required. The size of the House is set by legislation.

And this is a change that could be sold to Americans as getting better representation in DC. Right now, US House members have ridiculously large districts. Something like populations of a million residents in many places. They manage staffs of 10-20 with 3-4 office locations usually. Compare that to a typical riding in Canada.
 
kEiThZ said:
Watching sitting Republican governors and senators attack democracy for political gain is really sad.
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Their lack of conviction should be remembered for the ages. One would be correct to wonder how reliable the are in the future should they need to hold to line against tyranny after failing this test so badly.

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kEiThZ said:
Watching sitting Republican governors and senators attack democracy for political gain is really sad.
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Actually, I'm more impressed by how much *resistance* there is within the GOP camp re Trump's voter-fraud claims--or at least, they're not giving him wholehearted support, mainly because they're coming to see how incompetent and off-his-rocker his approach to all of this is.

Remember: his election-night speech was when it all started to unravel. When your gestures are so tinpot that even the anything-but-RINO likes of Rick Santorum are calling your wisdom into question, then...
 
kEiThZ said:
Watching sitting Republican governors and senators attack democracy for political gain is really sad.
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As per this: https://www.thecentersquare.com/flo...cle_f054001a-207a-11eb-a116-b7b568f82c76.html

The Republican Governor of Florida is publicly calling for the Republican controlled legislatures of Pennsylvania and Michigan to send 'Faithless Electors' to the Electoral College.(meaning in this context to have their reps to the Electoral College vote against the popular will of their State)

I'm unclear on what power they have to do this under existing State laws, both states are governed by Democrats, as such any swift move to change the law is unlikely.

I imagine this to be an unlikely outcome.

But I am flummoxed at a sitting Governor saying that openly.
 
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