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[Rainforest]

From another thread:

Is that capacity right though? Keep in mind with the system we're planning today, the underground portion will be automated and capable of very high frequency (and capacity). With a full grade-separated line with no branches that high capacity should carry through end-to-end. In such a scenario we'd be fools not opt for a high-floor vehicle, which naturally bumps capacity even higher.

The underground station are already designed and being built for low-floor vehicles. Would it cost a fortune to change the design mid-way? I suppose it would.

A 4-car subway every 1:30 I don't think we'd ever have to worry about crowding on Eglinton. Renforth to Markham/Sheppard @ +20kpphpd, Pearson or Winston Churchill to Renforth 10kpphpd each. Not bad.

Again, the underground stations are designed for 3-car trains max. The light-rail cars are longer then TTC subway cars, but they are narrower, resulting in the design capacity of about 175 per car, roughly same as per one subway car.

Even if the trains can be run on 1:30 headways, will the key station be overloaded with riders trying to enter / exit?

 

[Rainforest]

(almost) Everyone here agrees that it was a colossal mistake that Eglinton was no made fully grade-separated.

Only if ECLRT is built within the current design paradigm (half tunneled, half surface), and still runs over capacity, then we will have to count it as a mistake.

Many people here are saying it won't happen, and I tend to believe them. The ridership forecasts are never fully accurate, but it isn't likely that the actual demand will be 200% of the forecast.

If we see the actual peak demand within 10-12 k (still manageable with LRT), but could expect 18-20 k if it was a subway, then it is a matter of opportunity cost. You could either build 1 crosstown subway line, or 1 light rail line on Eglinton and another one say on Lawrence for the same price. Either option would have some pros and some cons.

Shouldn't the new government explore the cost of correcting that mistake?

I would suspect that platform height is already too late to change.
I also suspect it's too late to change the train type, unless some complicated switch can be made by sending these trains to Ottawa, Kitchener, Mississauga, or Hamilton, and buying more suited trains for this line.
With cross-over tracks at Laird, grade-separating the line from Brentcliffe to Kennedy trains could still use the Central portion of the "subway" and this construction would have zero effect on the opening date of the central portion.

I suspect the cost of grade-separation would be in the $1B to $2B range.

$2B would probably buy the cost of grade-separation from Laird to Kennedy, had it been a part of the original design. It would likely cost more now if we had to revisit that section, as some contracts should be already signed.

And, that certainly wouldn't upgrade the capacity of the central section which is in the advanced stages of construction now.

We can debate if choosing subway from the onset was a better option, but changing the design mid-way certainly isn't a good option. On the contrary, it can lead to disastrous results.

 

[Neutrino]

How the hell did I ever get anywhere?

Wot is located at Dixon and 427 and employs 50,000 people?

Yes but how do you get people to the LRT terminal? The airport employment zone is spread over many miles.

 

[TransitBart]

Yes but how do you get people to the LRT terminal? The airport employment zone is spread over many miles.

True. But at least it would not be inaccessible from Jane/Finch and northern Etobicoke which need access to quality employment. Most people working at the airport come from West and North. This can change that. Or Finch W LRT and Eglinton W LRT,...

 

[Wrench]

Each branch gets a different colour. Eglinton is Orange, Dixon-Eglinton-Lawrence is something else. I'm not sure we will have so many rapid transit lines that we will run out of colours.

I truly believe that Jane should be a spur from Mt Dennis elevated off to the side of Black Creek Dr & have its first stop at Lawrence Ave.
Then Falstaff on Jane st.
Head North to Wilson & the all way up to Steele’s ave. With a few other stops in between.
Jane st south still serviced by bus until the Drl makes it way up to Eglinton.
And a local bus up to Falstaff.
I was on Jane st on Friday , two busses & one Express jammed packed.
Felt sorry for those poor people riding the bus north of Wilson.
This would work here , by alternating the Crosstown lrt W/B and have seamless Transit on a way better scale.
We need to think Outside the box & this would be relatively easy to implement.

 

[Streety McCarface]

I truly believe that Jane should be a spur from Mt Dennis elevated off to the side of Black Creek Dr & have its first stop at Lawrence Ave.
Then Falstaff on Jane st.
Head North to Wilson & the all way up to Steele’s ave. With a few other stops in between.
Jane st south still serviced by bus until the Drl makes it way up to Eglinton.
And a local bus up to Falstaff.
I was on Jane st on Friday , two busses & one Express jammed packed.
Felt sorry for those poor people riding the bus north of Wilson.
This would work here , by alternating the Crosstown lrt W/B and have seamless Transit on a way better scale.
We need to think Outside the box & this would be relatively easy to implement.

Jane south streetcar?

 

[JSF-1]

You could either build 1 crosstown subway line, or 1 light rail line on Eglinton and another one say on Lawrence for the same price. Either option would have some pros and some cons.

Theoretically couldn't an LRT on Lawrence be a branch of the EC and follow the same routing the 54 does? Say from Rouge Hill GO Station along Lawrence, than south on Leslie and connect with the EC at Leslie and Eglinton.

 

[Wrench]

Jane south streetcar?

Yes You could extend the 512 down Jane st.
But as you know, it’s very narrow south of St Clair , I don’t think the residents in that area would be to happy with only one lane left for vehicles & a possible bike lane.
But they could possibly make this work or just wait a lot longer for a possible Drl extension in the year 2050

 

[drum118]

June 26
Just up loaded 89 photos for the Mount Dennis area and some are up in the building thread for the area. Shots of the yard and station
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/drum118/albums/72157698603826835>

 

[TheTigerMaster]

June 26
Just up loaded 89 photos for the Mount Dennis area and some are up in the building thread for the area. Shots of the yard and station
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/drum118/albums/72157698603826835>

Wonderful pics. Thank you!

 

[Rainforest]

Theoretically couldn't an LRT on Lawrence be a branch of the EC and follow the same routing the 54 does? Say from Rouge Hill GO Station along Lawrence, than south on Leslie and connect with the EC at Leslie and Eglinton.

Yes, that could be an option.

And, a flexible one. At first, the Lawrence East line would feed into Elginton tunnel via Leslie. If, at some point in future, the central Eglinton tunnel approaches capacity, then a new Lawrence tunnel can be build under the Glendon campus and under Yonge, the Lawrence East line redirected there, and the Leslie tracks left in place just for a non-revenue connection.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Wow I can't believe they're applying station finishes so soon.

It doesn't look like the elevated guideway has seen significant progress in several months. It looks the same as when I last passed by there.

This is all very exciting. Within the next year I suppose we should be seeing the rest of the stations coming together on the surface. Only three more years to go!

 

[hw621]

Wow I can't believe they're applying station finishes so soon.

It doesn't look like the elevated guideway has seen significant progress in several months. It looks the same as when I last passed by there.

This is all very exciting. Within the next year I suppose we should be seeing the rest of the stations coming together on the surface. Only three more years to go!

Still three more years to go?

 

[Leo_Chan]

Still three more years to go?

3 years and 2 months.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Theoretically couldn't an LRT on Lawrence be a branch of the EC and follow the same routing the 54 does? Say from Rouge Hill GO Station along Lawrence, than south on Leslie and connect with the EC at Leslie and Eglinton.

Yes, that could be an option.

And, a flexible one. At first, the Lawrence East line would feed into Elginton tunnel via Leslie. If, at some point in future, the central Eglinton tunnel approaches capacity, then a new Lawrence tunnel can be build under the Glendon campus and under Yonge, the Lawrence East line redirected there, and the Leslie tracks left in place just for a non-revenue connection.

This really doesn't make sense with the DRL coming.

In any case, I'd rather see BRT on Lawrence. Imagine the DRL Long with ECLRT + Lawrence BRT + Sheppard transit. That would be incredible.