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With summer at hand, members of the York Quay Neighbourhood Association (YQNA) are once again gearing up for their annual war against excessive noise.

“A coalition of residents, city councillors and provincial and city agencies has been formed and is already making great strides,†YQNA chair Ulla Colgrass reports. The coalition already includes the YQNA and the neighbouring Toronto Island Community Association (TICA), councillors Pam McConnell and Adam Vaughan, the city’s Municipal Licensing and Standards (MLS) office, the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) and the city’s parks and recreation office. The Harbour City Yacht Club has also participated in the noise reduction crusade.

The newest member is the Toronto Passenger Vessel Association (TPVA), formed in late 2008 to create guidelines for 34 tour boats in the inner harbour—the very vessels that have traditionally been among the worst noise polluters in the city.

To the delight of local residents, Colgrass reports, “the vessel association has encouraged their members to tone down the sometimes extremely loud amplification on some boats that have sailed around the bay like floating nightclubs for years. The owners of the popular Mariposa and Empress of Canada tour boats have installed new sound systems and will no longer allow deejays to add their own equipment.â€

Omar Aboya of Toronto Harbour Cruises is a cruise boat owner and member of the association.

“We try to be a good neighbours,†he says. “My boats had problems last year. We immediately prepared rules and conditions for outside deejays and they have to abide—the word is actually obey. I make them obey.†Part of his solution was to map out red and green zones throughout the cruise trajectory. In the green zones, the volume goes up. But in the red zones, if the music is too loud, the captain is authorized to pull the plug.

Aboya loves loud music himself. “At home, I like to crack my walls with Zeppelin. I can appreciate some people liking loud music. But there’s a time and place,†he opines.

“My goal is that if somebody has a complaint I want to turn them into a client,†he continues. “How do you do that? By addressing the issues and solving the issues. They cannot move their homes but we can move our homes.â€

In addition, Aboya adds, he has given community members the cell phone numbers for cruise captains. “If there’s a problem with music, they can call.â€

In addition to a reduction of noise from the party boats, Colgrass adds, “some of the huge Island events that kept the regular visitors away from their favourite parks have moved elsewhere.â€

Wakestock and Virginfest are two major events—and traditional noise polluters—that are reported relocated to less populous spots. Wakestock has moved to Collingwood, while the new location of the annual Virgin music festival has yet to be announced. Pam McConnell’s office confirms that it will not be at the Island.

Colgrass observes, “There will still be island concerts, but with an awareness of the residents and visitors to the waterfront.â€

Harbourfront Centre, Colgrass notes, has already turned down the volume.

The more family-friendly venue “worked closely with the community and lowered the decibel level of their outdoor concerts last summer. It improved the situation for thousands of residents across the street on Queen’s Quay, but complaints are still coming in.â€

“It is a difficult situation with the sound rising into a wall of condos, where people hear the amplified sound clearly through closed windows. The large Sirius Stage is an open platform that needs baffles or other structural changes to contain the sound, just like the Molson Stage at Ontario Place was improved for the same reasons,†Colgrass concludes.

It is possible to control the noise: the waterfront’s former bugbear, Polson Pier—once known as The Docks—“is completely under control—no problem there,†Colgrass praises.

An online noise complaint report system created by the King-Spadina Residents Association (KSRA) is available at www.yqna.ca. The site forwards complaints to coalition members as well as to the source of the noise.

Don Rodbard of the KSRA, who himself wages a constant battle against noise problems in the Entertainment district, says: “The 2006 amendment to the city’s noise bylaw prohibits sound waves from loudspeakers passing into any public space—therefore any ‘music’ that reaches any residence is not in compliance at any time of the day or night. The noise bylaw prohibits any sound waves from any loudspeakers, unless exempted by permit, from disturbig residences.â€

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This actually really pisses me off. Are you kidding me?

Lets get rid of Wavestock and V-Fest because they bring people to the islands (and the city) and make noise for a whole 2 days?
 
What pisses you off specifically?

The article outlines repetitive noise issues and efforts to deal with them. Isn't that a good thing?
 
What pisses you off specifically?

The article outlines repetitive noise issues and efforts to deal with them. Isn't that a good thing?

Wakestock and Virginfest are two major events—and traditional noise polluters—that are reported relocated to less populous spots. Wakestock has moved to Collingwood, while the new location of the annual Virgin music festival has yet to be announced. Pam McConnell’s office confirms that it will not be at the Island.

It's great that there's an effort to deal with repetitive noise, but these two events are only one offs. It seems that some in these groups will complain about anything other than library like silence in their area. Their area in the centre of the largest city in the country. There's going to be some kind of noisy event in every area of downtown this summer. Lots of them, in fact. That's a good thing, too.

I can sympathize, and I don't mind that they're trying to enact change on this issue, but I have the feeling some of them aren't going to stop until the last crying cricket is wiped out.
 
Getting rid of Wakestock and Virginfest? Great, what a win for the city. Let's see what other events and economic activities cause noise and eliminate them to.
 
Yet no complaints about other events in the area? Cirque du Soleil will be closing out Luminato this Sunday and will bring lots of people to the lakefront area along with, I would imagine, some noise (both from the people and from the performers). Will we see noise complaints over this? I fear not as Luminato 'fits' in with their percieved proper use of the lakefront area while Wakestock and Virgin do not.

If anyone is going to the Luminato thing on Sunday we should all wear clogs or tap shoes so that we can make as much noise possible.

Let me be clear, I support any complaints about noise violations by the residents. I wouldn't want to have a concert happening on my driveway. However 1: One has to look at their surroundings and realize the multiple uses that their neighborhood can and will be used for. Do Danforth residents complain about the Taste of the Danforth? Do residents near the Chum building complain about the MMVA's? Do downtown residents complain about the movie festival? Do Queen W. residents complain about all the people partaking in the areas shopping strip? Do Yonge residents complain about the Pride parade, or any other parade for that matter. One has to take into context what their neighbourhood is and realize where it can and will be used for purposes other than simply residential uses. 2: These groups appear to be targeting specific events that they deem don't belong in their neighbourhood. Wakestock, Virgin, even the airport are all targeted by them, instead of a more general targetting of overall sound violations. Even the boats to some extent are targeted because, one would assume, they bring people to the islands.
 
This actually really pisses me off. Are you kidding me?

Lets get rid of Wavestock and V-Fest because they bring people to the islands (and the city) and make noise for a whole 2 days?


As a former Waterclub resident (York/Queens Quay) I can tell you that neither Wakestock, V-Fest or any other Island related event was a cause for excessive noise.

The real offenders in that area are the clam-shell amphitheatre at the harbourfront Centre and the party boats with their excessively loud fog-horns. On weekends there's also an amplified Mariachi band that plays outside of the Second Cup which can great on local residents nerves.

In recent times it seemed that the Harbourfront Stage began lowering it's volume. Even still, the wall of glass condos is a perfect conduit for resonating bass. Believe me, in my 15th floor unit the sound of thundering bass was completely out of line with acceptable noise tolerances.

That said, it would be a disservice for blame to be placed on events located in or around the Island which bring valuable income to the city.
 
As a former Waterclub resident (York/Queens Quay) I can tell you that neither Wakestock, V-Fest or any other Island related event was a cause for excessive noise.

The real offenders in that area are the clam-shell amphitheatre at the harbourfront Centre and the party boats with their excessively loud fog-horns. On weekends there's also an amplified Mariachi band that plays outside of the Second Cup which can great on local residents nerves.

In recent times it seemed that the Harbourfront Stage began lowering it's volume. Even still, the wall of glass condos is a perfect conduit for resonating bass. Believe me, in my 15th floor unit the sound of thundering bass was completely out of line with acceptable noise tolerances.

That said, it would be a disservice for blame to be placed on events located in or around the Island which bring valuable income to the city.

Of course they won't complain about events that they deem 'worthy' of their neighbourhood, but they have to find a scape goat to justify their complaints. Thus Wakestock, Virgin, the Docks, etc must leave but the Mariachi band stays.
 

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