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lenaitch said:
Across for sure, but not along/over. I was thinking some might be salivating at the prospect of papering over entire ROWs fence-to-fence with housing.
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Prominent discussion on this is unavoidable, as given the chance, some developers would do as you state, and some councils would agree! And Ford just might bend over backwards to accommodate.

The engineering aside, I wonder if the Feds might have to step in to legislate reserving the status as being only for utilities? IIRC, only railways (and then only federally regulated ones) have corridor protection as a federal competence that could subvert provincial ones in the utility corridors.

Which raises another aspect being considered by Toronto Council: TTC subways being declared as being under Federal jurisdiction (The Constitution allows it if certain criteria are met) to continue protection for safety in a shared utility corridor with electricity, gas and petroleum services also sharing. That sounds ludicrous until considering the lengths that Ford et al have gone to destroy protections assumed to be inalienable up until now.

lol...just did a quick Google to find a Toronto utility corridor map. Will continue that search later, as this just popped up:

Apr 12, 2010
Lukester said:
Hey all.

I was just wondering if anyone knew what Toronto's laws were about building underneath a hydro line? Like the really, really big ones...

I'm working on a project and can't seem to find it anywhere...

I'm also looking for the specific By-Law that states whether you can or cannot.

Thanks!
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https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/question-building-under-hydro-lines.12237/

I've got to read the replies to see what shows...

Addendum: One of the posters to the above string quotes TO planning land use policy, perhaps not realizing it paraphrases the Ont Electricity Act, sections of which are:

Electricity Act, 1998

S.O. 1998, CHAPTER 15
SCHEDULE A
Purposes
1 The purposes of this Act include the following:
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(j) to protect corridor land so that it remains available for uses that benefit the public, while recognizing the primacy of transmission uses. 2004, c. 23, Sched. A, s. 1; 2014, c. 7, Sched. 7, s. 1; 2015, c. 20, Sched. 9, s. 1; 2016, c. 10, Sched. 2, s. 1.
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Order re other uses
(3) The Board may order the owner of the corridor land to restrict or discontinue any use of the land that interferes with the expansion of the transmission system or distribution system as authorized under Part VI of the Ontario Energy Board Act, 1998. 2002, c. 1, Sched. A, s. 23.
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Effect of agreement
(6) If an owner of corridor land and the person or entity who has the statutory right to use the land enter into an agreement governing the expansion of a transmission system or distribution system on the land or the use of the land, the Board shall not make an order under this section that is inconsistent with the agreement. 2002, c. 1, Sched. A, s. 23.
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Duty re use of corridor land
114.7 A person or entity who has the statutory right to use corridor land shall, to the extent practicable, ensure that the design and construction of any transmission system on the land maximizes the area available for other uses. 2002, c. 1, Sched. A, s. 23.
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Directions re location of buildings, etc.
114.8 (1) The Minister of Infrastructure may give directions to a person or entity who has the statutory right to use corridor land in respect of the location on the land of any proposed building, structure or equipment or of any proposed expansion of a building, structure or equipment, and the person or entity shall comply with the directions. 2002, c. 1, Sched. A, s. 23; 2011, c. 9, Sched. 27, s. 23 (4).
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Procedural matters
(5) The person or entity who proposes to construct or expand a building, structure or equipment on corridor land shall comply with such requirements as may be prescribed concerning notice to the Minister of Infrastructure and information to be given to him or her. 2002, c. 1, Sched. A, s. 23; 2011, c. 9, Sched. 27, s. 23 (4).
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Relocation of buildings, etc.
114.9 (1) The Minister of Infrastructure may direct a person or entity who has the statutory right to use corridor land and who owns a building, structure or equipment located on the land to move it, and may impose conditions or restrictions with respect to the direction. 2002, c. 1, Sched. A, s. 23; 2011, c. 9, Sched. 27, s. 23 (4).
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Property Interests
Public streets and highways
41 (1) A transmitter or distributor may, over, under or on any public street or highway, construct or install such structures, equipment and other facilities as it considers necessary for the purpose of its transmission or distribution system, including poles and lines. 1998, c. 15, Sched. A, s. 41 (1).
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No consent required
(5) The exercise of powers under subsections (1), (2) and (3) does not require the consent of the owner of or any other person having an interest in the street or highway. 1998, c. 15, Sched. A, s. 41 (5).
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https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/98e15

I just scanned through it to quote some clauses to illustrate the incredible powers available to at least electrical corridor authorities.

Just became aware of this:
Federal transport minister calls proposed $100B Northern Corridor 'an appealing concept'

Could be used for road, rail, pipeline, electrical transmission and communication infrastructure
Kelly Provost · CBC News · Posted: Oct 13, 2018 5:00 AM CT | Last Updated: October 13
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/canada-northern-corridor-infrastructure-1.4861272
 
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This was at the same press conference where he said it's "grossly premature" to assume the province will upload the subway system, even though they've definitively said they will, and where he said that the totally unfunded line will open 2 years earlier than p reviously announced, as if either of those 2 dates have any meaning in reality.

I'm not saying the man is wrong - but I am gonna suggest all these things are 100% out of his control. The positive spin for YNSE is now it can open 2 years earlier too! That'll be, oh, 22 years after the EA was approved! Even for Toronto, that's pretty good!

(Oh, and his announcement today was also basically to announce they're speeding up the process by doing what Keesmaat said they should do during the campaign, and which he dismissed...but y'all can find all this stuff on Twitter and whatnot.)
 
In fairness to the mayor, this is just the way things are now.
For someone desperately concerned with getting transit to Scarborough, the Premier has an awful penchant for coming up with things that delay it, over and over again.

I can't really blame Tory for his consistent support for transit, but it doesn't mean much when you're getting run over at every turn and the deadlines are all well beyond what you've said will be the end of your tenure. (Tory will be 74 in 2029, I believe.)
 
We all know that Tory has absolutely no skin in on this now though. Yurek was making an "upload" announcement on Breakfast TV (do people actually watch these things anymore? I had a fatal argument with a TV decades back, and been single ever since) just an hour prior, so Tory could have promised the (subway to) the Moon and it would have been just as moot.
AlvinofDiaspar said:
The sense of urgency is so palpable that you are just glad his worship isn't a ER doc.
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He looked rough, defeated, "ER doc" = "Endless Repetition documentary".
 
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Surprise, surprise. Yonge Street has a bus route that follows and extends past the Yonge portion of Line 1.

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This is the description from the TTC website, at this link:

The 97 Yonge bus route operates between Davisville Station and York Mills Station on Line 1, Yonge-University, and the area of Yonge Street and Steeles Avenue West, generally in a north-south direction. It also serves Finch Station (northbound buses ONLY) and the area of Yonge Street and Queens Quay West. Accessible service is provided on the route. Davisville, York Mills, and Finch stations are accessible subway stations. Bike racks are available on this route.

Three services are operated. The 97A (Davisville Station-York Mills Station via Yonge Blvd) branch operates during the midday and evening, from Monday to Friday, and at all times on Saturdays, Sundays, and holidays. The 97B (Queens Quay-York Mills Station via Yonge Blvd) branch operates during the peak periods, from Monday to Friday only. The 97F (Davisville Station-Steeles) branch operates at all times, seven days a week.

Southbound 97A to Davisville Station

These buses operate from York Mills Station via west on York Mills Road, west on Wilson Avenue, southeast on Yonge Boulevard, and south on Yonge Street to Davisville Station.

Northbound 97A to York Mills Station via Yonge Boulevard

These buses operate from Davisville Station via east on Chaplin Crescent, north on Yonge Street, northwest on Yonge Boulevard, east on Wilson Avenue, and east on York Mills Road to York Mills Station.

Southbound 97B to Queens Quay

These buses operate from York Mills Station via west on York Mills Road, west on Wilson Avenue, southeast on Yonge Boulevard, south on Yonge Street, west on Chaplin Crescent, through Davisville Station, continuing south on Yonge Street, west on Wellington Street West, south on Bay Street, and east on Queens Quay West to Yonge Street.

Northbound 97B to York Mills Station via Yonge Boulevard

These buses operate from Queens Quay West and Yonge Street via north on Yonge Street, through Davisville Station, east on Chaplin Crescent, north on Yonge Street, northwest on Yonge Boulevard, east on Wilson Avenue, and east on York Mills Road to York Mills Station.

Southbound 97F to Davisville Station

These buses operate from Hilda Avenue and Steeles Avenue West via east on Steeles Avenue West and south on Yonge Street to Davisville Station.

Northbound 97F to Steeles

These buses operate from Davisville Station via east on Chaplin Crescent, north on Yonge Street, east on Finch Avenue East, through Finch Station, west on Bishop Avenue, continuing north on Yonge Street, west on Moore Park Avenue, and north on Hilda Avenue to Steeles Avenue West.

All buses on the route serve local bus stops along the route.
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The bad news is that the headway is w-i-d-e apart (15 m or worse). Some parts only operate during part of the day (keyword: day). The other bad news is that they use buses.

The 97 Yonge could be an alternative to the subway, especially for local service. But only if it were more frequent.

When they opened the original Yonge subway, they did away with the streetcar service between Union Station and Glen Echo Road (halfway between Lawrence and York Mills Stations). That streetcar line should have been kept to supply local service and emergency service.

The TTC should at least increase the headway of the 97 Yonge bus, and get better marketing for that route. May not be a big improvement, but for some we can bypass the crowds in the Line 1 for the short distances.
 
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