Toronto Surface Transit Network Plan

[Northern Light]

This thread is continuing the discussion of the priority schemes we've seen for Eglinton East, and coming forward for Jane, Dufferin and Steeles West among others.

A report headed to the November 18th Executive Committee Mtg will recommend pursuing a much wider strategy of transit priority on 20 high-priority corridors over the next 10 years.

Report is here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2020/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-158064.pdf

From said report:

 

[Cobra]

Why does it have to take so long? It's not like were talking about building a subway. That culture needs to change at the city level

 

[Bordercollie]

Why does it have to take so long? It's not like were talking about building a subway. That culture needs to change at the city level

In some places it's not as easy as painting lanes red. You need to widen some roads, and procure new vehicles to run in those corridors which are already packed to the brim.

 

[W. K. Lis]

This thread is continuing the discussion of the priority schemes we've seen for Eglinton East, and coming forward for Jane, Dufferin and Steeles West among others.

A report headed to the November 18th Executive Committee Mtg will recommend pursuing a much wider strategy of transit priority on 20 high-priority corridors over the next 10 years.

Report is here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2020/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-158064.pdf

From said report:

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What about The Queensway? Between Roncesvalles Avenue and the old Humber Loop, and Lake Shore Blvd. West between the old Humber Loop and Legion Road (west of Park Lawn Road)?

 

[ARG1]

This thread is continuing the discussion of the priority schemes we've seen for Eglinton East, and coming forward for Jane, Dufferin and Steeles West among others.

A report headed to the November 18th Executive Committee Mtg will recommend pursuing a much wider strategy of transit priority on 20 high-priority corridors over the next 10 years.

Report is here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2020/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-158064.pdf

From said report:

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Some of these are going to take so long that its almost laughable. Half of the McCowan Road allignment will be a subway by the time it opens, and Don Mills, Overlea, Pape will open a few years before the Ontario Line. Not to mention, aren't they planning to run Viva Green along Don Mills from Don Mills Station north into York Region? I always assumed that this meant that the Viva Rapidways might dip into Toronto. Would make far more sense than red paint on a lane. This is exactly why we need stronger cooporation between the regions in terms of transit design.

 

[Towered]

All of those need to be fully separated BRT's.

 

[ShonTron]

I don't understand why Wilson Avenue is so far down the list. It carries several busy routes, and is jammed from any overflow Highway 401 traffic during rush hours. The section between Jane and Wilson Station should be up near the top.

 

[north-of-anything]

They're all being organized to address the present-day needs instead of future needs. That and the draft implementation schedule is just done in order of current ridership without taking the future of the network into account. What a letdown.

 

[Northern Light]

The CEO's Report coming to the Nov 16th Meeting of the TTC comments briefly on what they brand as RapidTO; particularly the Eglinton East bus priority.

Link here: http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Com...utive_Officer_Report_November_2020_Update.pdf

Notable, a 12% reduction in travel time for the route thus far; with infrastructure not yet complete.

Relevant passages below:

 

[Darwinkgo]

All of those need to be fully separated BRT's.

Not necessarily. All depends on local conditions. Intersection and queue jumps, strategic exclusive lanes where there is persistent congestion applied on a CBA could lead to way more of the network being built out than otherwise if there is to be an all out road capacity fight on these corridors (and the attached budget fight). Sure, some probably would need exclusive lanes on much of their route. But that doesn't mean all or nothing is the name of the game. Increasing reliability and decreasing trip times (either by enabling more vehicles/larger vehicles by creating capacity, or by speeding up all vehicles) is the name of the game.

 

[H4F33Z]

This thread is continuing the discussion of the priority schemes we've seen for Eglinton East, and coming forward for Jane, Dufferin and Steeles West among others.

A report headed to the November 18th Executive Committee Mtg will recommend pursuing a much wider strategy of transit priority on 20 high-priority corridors over the next 10 years.

Report is here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2020/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-158064.pdf

From said report:

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These timelines are atrocious. Really a slap to the face to the low-income residents who need to use the bus. But there is potential to accelerate these timelines by one or two years.

 

[am29]

Just looking at areas that they've really missed including based on that map:

1) Kennedy Road - from Sheppard East to Eglinton East
2) Warden Avenue - from Ellesemere to St Clair East
3) Kingston Road - from Queen to Eglinton
4) The West Mall - Renforth to Dundas/ Sherway
5) The Queensway

 

[W. K. Lis]

These timelines are atrocious. Really a slap to the face to the low-income residents who need to use the bus. But there is potential to accelerate these timelines by one or two years.

Done because the decision makers are non-transit users. Except for photo-ops, of course.

 

[ARG1]

Just looking at areas that they've really missed including based on that map:

1) Kennedy Road - from Sheppard East to Eglinton East
2) Warden Avenue - from Ellesemere to St Clair East
3) Kingston Road - from Queen to Eglinton
4) The West Mall - Renforth to Dundas/ Sherway
5) The Queensway

Aren't two of those mostly if not entirely covered by streetcars?

 

[nfitz]

Aren't two of those mostly if not entirely covered by streetcars?

I wish! For Kingston, only about 3 km of the 12 km is covered by streetcars (and not on evenings and weekends).

And for Queensway, only about 3.5 km of 11 km in Toronto has streetcar service (19 km if you include the piece in Mississauga).

Personally, I'd extend the existing streetcar 3.5 km on Kingston Road to Danforth Avenue, and connect it to the long-planned Danforth Avenue/Kingston Road BRT from Eglinton/Kingston to Victoria Park station.

One on hand, Queensway seems a no-brainer. On the other hand, existing ridership is low. I wonder if there was through service to Hurontario after the Hurontario LRT opens, that might improve things.