kEiThZ
Superstar
Wake me up when someone shows up with actual capital to build anything more than a large GA field.....
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Pickering Airport (Transport Canada/GTAA, Proposed)
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MarkBrooks
Active Member
Capital has been there for years. What has been missing has been the political will. Happy to say That has now changed.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Given the forthcoming federal election, triggering anything on Pickering now is likely to form a quite a portion of the campaign in a number of ridings, surely?
Northern Light
Superstar
Hallelujah, the GTAA just called uncle on capacity. This discussion just got real.
SOMAC announced, GTAA joins voices calling for Pickering Airport. - Friends of Pickering Airport
Print 🖨 PDF 📄 eBook 📱On May 27th, 2019, at a Toronto Region Board of Trade event, the municipal leaders of Southern Ontario came together to solve a problem. After a short video message from the Honorable Marc Garneau, federal Minister of Transport, Howard Eng, CEO of the GTAA (Greater Toronto...pickeringairport.org
From the above:
Most importantly, it does not include the soon-to-be built Pickering Airport. Mr. Eng highlighted that global passenger traffic will double to 8 billion by the early 2040s.
Unless we are taking aircraft into the world of electric vehicles, which seems rather unlikely; doubling aviation would have highly adverse impacts on greenhouse gasses/climate change.
From this link:
Air travel and climate change
Here are steps you can take as an individual and demands you can make of the aviation industry to lower flying’s carbon footprint.
davidsuzuki.org
Although aviation is a relatively small industry, it has a disproportionately large impact on the climate system. It accounts for four to nine per cent of the total climate change impact of human activity.
BurlOak
Senior Member
Canadian politicians and the public are strongly supportive of Climate change theory and desire to help.From the above:
Most importantly, it does not include the soon-to-be built Pickering Airport. Mr. Eng highlighted that global passenger traffic will double to 8 billion by the early 2040s.
Unless we are taking aircraft into the world of electric vehicles, which seems rather unlikely; doubling aviation would have highly adverse impacts on greenhouse gasses/climate change.
From this link:
Air travel and climate change
Here are steps you can take as an individual and demands you can make of the aviation industry to lower flying’s carbon footprint.
Although aviation is a relatively small industry, it has a disproportionately large impact on the climate system. It accounts for four to nine per cent of the total climate change impact of human activity.
That is why the federal Liberals have cancelled virtually all plane travel and are meeting by skype. Same goes for businesses.
Personal travel has dropped to near zero as well as people are no longer vacationing south, or flying to visit distance friends and family.
We don't even have to expand Pearson.
(sarc).
kEiThZ
Superstar
Just wait for Mark Brooks' red herring about how the emissions of your drive to the airport are more important than the flight you take.
Capacity is needed in the region. Whether that needs to be in a new Pickering airport is debatable.
As for the broader concern about increasing aviation emissions, given that we can't even seriously talk about reducing flying between Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal with proper rail, I doubt most Canadians are really serious about cutting emissions. Like so many other things, this is something people like to talk about and get others to do.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Sarcasm aside, the federal government has extremely strict rules for air travel. They were in place under Harper. Mandate maximum use of virtual presence and have the travel system display total emissions when planning flights. This is becoming more common among large corporations too. It's why business travel is taking a larger hit and discount airlines are flourishing.
BurlOak
Senior Member
nfitz
Superstar
Surely that's to be expected in a country where natural resources are not controlled at the federal level, but at a sub-national level.
Blame Pierre Trudeau for signing over control of natural resources to the provinces - perhaps that's why Alberta hates him so much (oh wait ...).
Blame Pierre Trudeau for signing over control of natural resources to the provinces - perhaps that's why Alberta hates him so much (oh wait ...).
kEiThZ
Superstar
Political appointees =/ = public service. Likewise, as mentioned, the feds don't dictate what province and municipalities do.
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Northern Light
Superstar
So there is clearly a renewed 'push' on this file.......atm.
Perhaps due to an impending election..........
On my FB feed, I saw an Ad for this:
www.pickering1.net
The Ad, as it appeared, began w/this text and image:
Developing the airport lands is key to building a prosperous future for the east GTA.
This opportunity gives us the choice to build a city that meets our needs. Learn more at economicengine.ca.
Perhaps due to an impending election..........
On my FB feed, I saw an Ad for this:
Toronto East Aerotropolis
www.pickering1.net
The Ad, as it appeared, began w/this text and image:
Developing the airport lands is key to building a prosperous future for the east GTA.
This opportunity gives us the choice to build a city that meets our needs. Learn more at economicengine.ca.
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
So there is clearly a renewed 'push' on this file.......atm.
Perhaps due to an impending election..........
On my FB feed, I saw an Ad for this:
Toronto East Aerotropolis
The Ad, as it appeared, began w/this text and image:
Developing the airport lands is key to building a prosperous future for the east GTA.
This opportunity gives us the choice to build a city that meets our needs. Learn more at economicengine.ca.
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A lot of marketing speak and buzz words in one promotional video. I doubt a Pickering airport will create so many jobs to change commuting patterns in that region
MarkBrooks
Active Member
The long term Global warming trend is real and we need to do something about it, starting with reducing travel when possible and if you are a solo traveler flying to any destination more than 500 km away. It’s more efficient to fly than to drive, and trains or buses are usually not an option in Canada. But the most important thing we can do that will reduce the amount of green house gas we are emitting is to build new aviation infrastructure like Pickering Airport. Decongesting Pearson will increase efficiency and reduce emissions.
And yes, it also sets us up for the new world of hybrid electric engines now being developed. Aviation is becoming the predominant way to move people on the planet, and that’s a good thing.
pickeringairport.org
And yes, it also sets us up for the new world of hybrid electric engines now being developed. Aviation is becoming the predominant way to move people on the planet, and that’s a good thing.
Time to Get Real About Aviation and Global Warming - Friends of Pickering Airport
Print 🖨 PDF 📄 eBook 📱 For the first time since humans have existed on Earth, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has topped 415 parts per million. Transportation contributes significantly to global warming. We can take concrete actions today to reduce those emissions through more efficient...
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
That's a really odd way of reducing CO2 emissions:
The most effective way - I bet - would be to build HFR/HSR along the Windsor-QC corridor using whatever funds planned for Pickering and electrifying GO alongside, instead of worrying about planes waiting to land while doing nothing to shift mode in the forementioned corridor.
AoD:
Holiday plans – Plane or Train? Planes are about 20 times as bad for the climate – per kilometre
Yes. We don't like to talk about it – but it's high time we did: CO2 emissions of air travel are 20.5 times higher than train, per kilometer*, per passenger, according [...]
www.bitsofscience.org
The most effective way - I bet - would be to build HFR/HSR along the Windsor-QC corridor using whatever funds planned for Pickering and electrifying GO alongside, instead of worrying about planes waiting to land while doing nothing to shift mode in the forementioned corridor.
AoD:
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MarkBrooks
Active Member
There is a overwhelming bias pushed by the anti globalization crowd against aviation ( for obvious reasons). Your link is hilarious.
Try a real green source like treehugger.com:
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www.treehugger.com
Try a real green source like treehugger.com:
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