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Mark the calendar for Sept 5/08 to hear why Paris is moving away from Metro to LRTas well how they are doing it.

Philippe Martin Vice-President of Regie Autonomoe des Transports Parisiens (RATP) and Remi Feredj Director of Open Spaces and Heritage will speak at City Hall in Room 2 at 6:30 Sept 5.
 
Here's probably why Paris is moving toward LRT:
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Paris Speak in Toronto. Like, she see Sunrise Petroleum and say, "That's Hot"

Anyway, I still find that straight-and-diagonal style Metro map oddly alien to whatever Parisian experience I remember...
 
Might also be because the city is built on top of aseries of mines and tons of buildings are under close inspection because many are built on top of virtually nothing. Since the size and scope of all of the mines is unknown, they might feel like they've maxed out the underground potential of the city (and with 16 lines, that's not too shabby).
 
Mark the calendar for Sept 5/08 to hear why Paris is moving away from Metro to LRTas well how they are doing it.

Philippe Martin Vice-President of Regie Autonomoe des Transports Parisiens (RATP) and Remi Feredj Director of Open Spaces and Heritage will speak at City Hall in Room 2 at 6:30 Sept 5.

Propaganda, everybody know that LRT is inefiencient in Paris, we need new metro and RER lines.
They build LRT instead of metro.

You want to see the result.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Paris%2Bmetro%2Bligne%2B13/video/x5ssig_le-cauchemar-de-la-ligne-13_news

http://www.dailymotion.com/albull/video/x2b6up_lecon-1-savoir-patienter_extreme

http://www.dailymotion.com/albull/video/x2b6xi_lecon-2-savoir-jouer-des-coudes_fun

http://www.dailymotion.com/albull/video/x17nj7_lundi-matin-8h30_fun

http://www.dailymotion.com/albull/video/x2b7jq_travaux-aux-heures-de-pointes_politics

http://www.dailymotion.com/albull/video/x15xfm_paris-underground_ads

http://www.dailymotion.com/related/1839298/video/x12674_rer-lignea_blog

http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x12674_rer-lignea_blog/video/x13f7m_encore-rate_travel

If they don't build new line, the whole network would be like that in less than ten years, we need more time to build news lines.
 
I am certainly concerned that they will build LRT on Eglinton that will be overloaded and it will be hailed as a success (because it is heavily used) and not a failure for under-estimating loads.
 
Yes, Paris has built a lot of tramways.

But also, since the first tramway opened in 1992 they have built, or are currently building, 22.6km of metro extensions.
 
Did anyone take notes? Rather unfortunately, I misread my "6:30" for "5:00", and was rather puzzled as to why I was the only attendee. Were there any interesting points? Or would "LRT will solve every problem, anywhere, anytime" be an accurate description?
 
All I can say from the presentation at this time, it reinforce what I see TTC and the city has to do for years. It's time to change the thinking surrounding the car.

The Paris Trams lines are costing about $70m/km that includes major makeover for the street scape as well equpment. That is double what been plan for TC on the surface.

TC ROW is the same height as St Clair ROW.

I love the idea that there is "NO" turning lanes at intersection that eats up the road width here. That 2 lanes in each direction, not the current 6 on St Clair. "ALL" platforms at 3m+ and look a lot better than what up on St Clair.

It quit clear the centre poles will have to go for TC even though I support them, but not the way TTC has done it.

Putting grass down for the ROW is the way to go, but the city needs to install sprinklers to keep the grass green. This will go against City policy about water grass.

It was not quit clear how the fire department/police use the ROW due to communication, but it sounded like no problem.

I like the idea of going out almost a year in advancement to the business to see what their monthly income is before construction start. This way you can see if and how much construction is causing to a business each month. This way you can look at way to compensate the business as well having data to say this will happen for future transit project. From the slide, most business are making more money after construction than before.

The other thing I notice, the short time line for construction once it started for the 8km route. How long has it taken TTC and the city to do 6km of St Clair rebuilding. Going to market in 2006? sounds like 3p's.

The line carries 110,000 riders a day that operates from 6 am to 9:30pm? using Alstom CITADIS 402 38m train that carries 304 riders. It sound like the headway was 4 minutes but could get down to 3.5. The speed has gone from 14 to 18km/hr with goal of 20km. 14,000 new riders have been added to the route since first open as well reduce 3,000 cars.

Another 14.5km extension is plan to get underway in 2009 and open in 2012 at a cost of $740mC. The next train order will be for 28 45m CITADIS.

A lot of new faces in the room for this meeting.

I'm sure others will have a few more things to say. Watch Steve Munro website as he was taking notes and I had no paper to do so.

The other thing noted, on street parking was removed as the city sees it as a bad thing.
 
There seemed to be an assumption in the room that emergency services were able to use the ROW for their operations but this was never clarified. From what I heard, I don't believe emergency services use the ROW in Paris. The presenter indicated that if fire services had to remove overhead wires to reach a building, they were authorized to do so.
 

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