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Interest rates to start rising? Clearly someone agrees with me:

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I am calling for a rise to 8-12% eventually. Crazy, perhaps?;)

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/421694

Are interest rates heading higher?

Economic predictions include sharply higher inflation

May 06, 2008 04:30 AM
Dana Flavelle
Business Reporter

From the economist who is forecasting sky-high oil prices by 2012 comes a new and frightening prediction – sharply higher inflation and higher costs of borrowing next year.

Citing rising costs for food and energy, CIBC World Markets chief economist Jeff Rubin said yesterday that Canadian consumers should brace for higher interest rates as well.
"Unrelenting pressure on food and energy prices will see a material acceleration in inflation over the next 12 months," Rubin wrote in his monthly Canadian portfolio strategy outlook.

While the Bank of Canada may still cut its trendsetting rate one more time this year, Rubin said he expects rates will climb a full percentage point next year, to 3.75 per cent. That would raise the cost of borrowing to buy big-ticket items, such as cars and appliances.

The bank's overnight lending rate target is currently 3 per cent, but the central bank is widely expected to cut that one more time, by a quarter of a percentage point, at its next meeting in June.

Rubin's latest forecast comes four days after the U.S. Federal Reserve Board signalled it would pause before its next rate cut. The U.S. central bank has cut rates seven times since last September in a bid to boost a slowing economy and troubled housing market.

The U.S. key federal funds rate is now 2 per cent.

Rubin, who last week predicted oil would rise to $225 (U.S.) a barrel by 2012, said higher energy prices would be good for investors in Canadian stocks.

The TSX composite index will hit 16,200 points by the end of the next year, he said, rising 14.1 per cent over this year, and outperforming the U.S. market for the fourth year in a row.

Energy, materials and agricultural chemicals will do well, while utilities and consumers staples, such as food retailers and producers, will fare poorly as rising grain prices squeeze margins and higher bond yields make utilities less attractive.

Rubin's commentary was released as the price of a barrel of crude oil cracked the $120 (U.S.) level yesterday for the first time.

In the short term, investors could see more market volatility as Canada's banks report their latest quarterly performance, Rubin said. Several Canadian banks have suffered from their exposure to the U.S. subprime mortgage fiasco.

He said the U.S. Federal Reserve Board has "done a good job of calming some of investor's deepest fears." However, even worse inflation in the U.S. is likely to mean fewer rate cuts there as well, he said. He expects the Fed to stop cutting at 1.5 per cent, rather than 1.25 per cent as previously predicted.

U.S. inflation is currently rising at the rate of 4 per cent a year, compared to just 1.4 per cent in Canada.

The rapid rise in the value of the Canadian dollar against the U.S. greenback last fall helped temper inflation by keeping the cost of imports in check. But there are signs the dollar's moderating effect may be coming to an end, according to the Bank of Canada.

Since the middle of last year, core inflation has declined dramatically, mostly due to lower prices for motor vehicles as the Canadian dollar hit par with the U.S. greenback, the central bank noted in a recent monetary policy report.

Bank of Canada deputy governor John Murray said the "pass-through" from exchange rates to consumer prices has declined in recent years, citing "improved monetary" policy and increased trade as reasons. Pass-through refers to the impact of the dollar on the price of imports; when the dollar rises imports become cheaper, when it drops, imports are more expensive.

The central bank responds more swiftly now than in prior years to changes in the inflation rate, using its benchmark interest rate to boost or dampen spending in response to rising or falling prices, an official later explained.

The central bank sets interest rates to keep inflation at 2 per cent.
 
Great article! Cause we all know how often these financial analysts are right about stuff... :rolleyes:

Seriously though I remember how before all these rate cuts started happening, every article was about interest rates going higher and higher...

I use to think that articles like this should just be ignored. Now I'm almost starting to think the opposite of what they write is what will happen.
 
So you think interest rates will go to 0%?

That's not how big guys think. Imo, they get joe average in debt with low interest rates, then start jacking them up again to screw 'em over and over. A very clever strategy, if that's what they're infact gonna do.
 
That's a rather paranoid assessment. The price of oil is high because the American dollar is so low. Eventually people will figure out that the price can't keep going up forever and they'll look for something else to put their money in.

When you say a rise of up to 8% or 12%, on what rate?
 
anything Jeff Rubin predicts, count on the opposite happening. when the Canadian dollar was at 65 cents to the USD he was predicting it was going to go to 50 cents, when what actually happened was it quickly went to 80 cents and now to par.
 
Oil is not going to $200. While everyone is harping on the increase in consumption from the BRIC countries (Brasil, Russia, India, China), the developed countries use less and less oil. At some point, people will stop buying gas guzzlers, because they simply won't be able to afford the gas. It is happening already. Chevy used to sell 150,000 Suburbans a year in the mid 90s, now they sell around 30,000. In addition, if we can't afford gas when oil is at $200, how will the average Chinese or Indian person?

Also, as the price of oil goes up, it becomes lucrative to tap oil reserves that were too expensive to extract when oil was cheap, increasing the supply. I think oil will fluctuate between $100 and $150 for the next few years. I'm much more worried about food price inflation, but even that will probably ease next year, as the amount of grains being planted this year far exceeds previous years. Supply-demand at work once again.
 
The fact remains that very few new deposits are being found, and consumption is increasing worldwide, not decreasing. Even with the lowered consumption by Americans, it is minimal in comparison to the increases in developing countries. This is a game of economics, and oil will continue to rise until it has reached close to or just past the cost of other forms of energy like solar, wind, etc.

So if you can convert the amount of energy created/cost of 1 barrel of oil, and compare it to the cost in all other alternative energy sources to create the same amount of energy, I think then you will have a good idea of what oil will eventually go to.

And BTW, I'm not sure I completely agree with the suburban statement. They may be selling less, but back in the mid 90's that was the only really large SUV out there. Now you've got yukons, escalades, excursions, expeditions, navigators, tahoes, armadas, sequoias, etc. It's not that purchases are down, it's that they're spread across 10 other similar models that weren't around before.
 
Please put up your hand if your cost of living went up by 2% or less this year. Cuz if that's the case, I want to live where you are living.

Bank of Canada says Canada inflation is currently about 1.2% to 1.5% for Jan, Feb, March 2008 over Jan, Feb, March 2007.

Incidentally, March was the lower number.

I agree with this. Food and fuel prices are up but lots of the commodities areas (mortgage interest rates, clothing, recreation items, furniture, etc.) aren't increasing very quickly or even decreasing in price.

Toronto specific numbers indicate 1.1% CPI increase from March 2007 to March 2008.
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/cpis02a.htm
 
While it's almost a certainty that interest rates will begin to rise at some point I doubt we will see strong upward movement. The real interest rate story at present with regard to mortgage financing has less to do with the rate and more to do with the behaviour of lenders. Put simply lenders were over the last few years stupidly loose in their lending practices and have become at present stupidly tight. The net result has been that depending on what kind of borrower you are, real financing rates have actually gone up as the Bank of Canada rate has decreased. This would not be as problematic if lenders did not engage in... I mean, harmonize...I mean "closely monitory" each other's activities.
 
Please put up your hand if your cost of living went up by 2% or less this year. Cuz if that's the case, I want to live where you are living.

If you take all the people who had variable rate mortgages, their cost of living probably went down.

Considering I don't drive much myself, I would say my COL went up about 2% (even less if I factor in my 3% COL increase from my company paycheque).
 
COL actually did not rise much, except for fuel and grain costs. Cars, clothing, and other consumer goods actually decreased in price. Most food was neutral, though the high price of grain is starting to translate into higher meat prices, since most livestock lives on grain. Higher fuel costs will start reflecting in higher imported fruit and vegetable costs, which is one more reason to buy local produce.

As to the oil argument, people are assuming that oil consumption growth will stay at 10-15% a year in the developing world, which is not the case if oil goes to $200. Demand will fall if prices go up. In addition, overall growth in oil is only 2.3% a year, and we have more known reserves now than at any point in history. In fact, due to new discoveries, supply of oil has been increasing faster than demand for the last 5 years or so.
 

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