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Gay Games VS Outgames

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I was curious if anyone out there went to both the Outgames in Montreal and the Gay Games in Chicago and which did you prefer? I have an American friend, living in Montreal,who is very pro USA and he only focused on the negitive aspects of the Outgames but from what I've seen on the net, and on tv, the opening ceramonies looked much better in Montreal, at the Outgames. Anybody got an opinion?
 
The only subtitle I could think of to this subject is: Who cares?

I don't say this to be a troll, but rather I don't understand the need to compare and contrast. Why not just let 'em be: mostly fun for most involved.
 
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The opening ceremony of Gay Games was subjected to quite a bit of criticism, over the length and thanking everyone including the kitchen sink approach to speeches.

Interesting, there is a new world record for 200M backstroke in the 40-44 age category from the Outgames, by Daniel Veatch of SF.

AoD
 
I don't say this to be a troll, but rather I don't understand the need to compare and contrast. Why not just let 'em be: mostly fun for most involved.

Normally I would agree, but in this case there is a larger issue. Montreal was awarded the Gay Games, but then was accused of improprieties in the process of soliciting votes. The result was that - amid legal wrangling - the Gay Games went to Chicago and Montreal continued to organize their games under a new name.

Where there was - and IMO should be - a single event to look up to as the ultimate sports competition for the gay community, there are now two. For some, more is better, but considering that these are international events, it is impossible for many to attend both. So unfortunately, every athlete and many spectators are faced with a question of which to support.

In that light, the comparison of these events is valid.
 
A post-mortem of the Montreal event from the BBC...

Athletes contest first 'Outgames'
Alasdair Sandford
BBC News, Montreal

The first World Outgames have ended in Montreal, where 12,000 lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) athletes came together for a celebration of sport, culture and human rights.

It was more like a party than a closing ceremony. A team from Germany held up cards spelling out "Merci Montreal". Up on stage, Liza Minelli delighted the athletes with her renditions of Cabaret and New York, New York. As the lights shone around the Olympic Stadium, some danced while others embraced.

Mark Tewksbury, the Outgames' co-president and a swimming gold medallist from the Barcelona Olympics in 1992, was visibly moved as he declared the games closed. "Here we are not second class citizens," he said.

There had been similar scenes the previous Saturday, when some 40,000 spectators greeted the competitors in the same arena for the opening ceremony. The tennis icon Martina Navratilova was given a rapturous reception as she and Mark Tewksbury read out a new human rights declaration in defence of LGBT people.

Montreal has not witnessed an event on this scale since the city hosted the 1976 Olympics almost exactly 30 years ago. At the heart of the "village" district, a kilometre-long stretch of the rue St Catherine has been a continuous street festival. Companies pledged their support in billboard advertisements everywhere. Huge rainbow flags hung from balconies; others were pinned up in restaurant and shop windows. Medal winners were congratulated by passers-by on the metro.

As often happens in amateur competition, the events themselves - which ranged from athletics and powerlifting, to dancesport and bridge - often attracted more participants and their friends than external spectators. But for Mark Tewksbury, it didn't matter that the small rostrum in the entrance hall to the Olympic pool had little of the grandeur of Barcelona 1992.

Inside out

The Canadian also won gold in Montreal - seeing off a challenge from Daniel Veatch, another former Olympian who swam for Team USA at Seoul 1988 - to win the 100 metres backstroke. Tewksbury documented his own painful coming out process in the world of top level sport in his book Inside Out. "The Olympics ask us to be better athletes," he said. "The Outgames ask us to be better people."

Normally in these situations I say 'do you two fancy each other?' and they separate straightaway English referee Sprinter André Mitchell from Toronto, where he's trained with former Olympic champion Donovan Bailey, won five gold medals and one silver. The American Lan Tritsch's time of 39.92 seconds for the 100 metres may have been 30 seconds outside the world record - but it was no mean feat for an 81-year-old, and he too won gold in his age group.

On the whole the games ran smoothly, despite the odd hiccup - such as when Dutch athlete Agnes Elling turned up for the women's 100 metres hurdles to find she was the only competitor.

Some competitions pitted lovers and partners against each other. Fabrice from the Paris-Lyon Arc-en-ciel football team found himself marking his boyfriend Sebastien, playing for Belgium's Pink Devils. The French team's 7-0 victory failed to damage their relationship.

During the same match the whistle blew after some pushing and shoving in the penalty area. The English referee took aside the two offending players. "Normally in these situations I say 'do you two fancy each other?' and they separate straightaway," he chided them. "In your case I suppose I'll just have to say 'at least wait till afterwards'."

Mission accomplished

Confusingly for many people, the Outgames are distinct from this year's Gay Games which took place in Chicago last month. These were originally due to be held in Montreal but were moved after a series of disputes between Gay Games officials and the Montreal organising committee.

Outgames competitors came from more than a hundred nations, including several developing countries thanks to a special bursary programme. Not all went as planned: a team from Cameroon - a country known for its repression of homosexuals - was refused entry by Canadian immigration.
The motto of the games was "We play for real". For the organisers, they have been about fostering tolerance in sport to enable gay and lesbian athletes to compete openly, free from discrimination and exclusion.

Martina Navratilova said the Outgames were important to "let the heterosexual community know who we are and what we're all about". In Montreal it's certainly a case of "mission accomplished".


Story from BBC NEWS:
news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/5249838.stm

Published: 2006/08/06 14:48:57 GMT
© BBC MMVI
 
It's good to see both games will end up in the black, though it'd be more successful as one I think. With 2009 Outgames in Copenhagen, and 2010 Gay Games in Cologne, maybe Toronto should bid for one, either 2013 or 2014?

From: www.365gay.com/Newscon06/...6games.htm
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Gay Sports Events Windfalls For Montreal, Chicago
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff

August 8, 2006 - 9:00 pm ET

(Chicago) With only preliminary numbers in both Chicago and Montreal say they raked in tens of millions of dollars from the Gay Games and Outgames. Additionally both sets of competing sports events expect to show surpluses.

Montreal's Board of Trade said Tuesday that the First Outgames attracted about half a million people to the city, spending close to $90 million.

The Chamber of Commerce for the province had a higher estimate - saying that about $150 million was spend in Montreal during the weeklong games which wrapped up on Sunday.

The figures were similar in Chicago where the Gay Games were held a week earlier.

Figures are still being compiled by the Chicago Convention and Tourism Bureau but Jennifer Martinez, a spokesperson for Mayor Dailey told 365Gay.com on Tuesday that it appears the impact was between $50 and $80 million. The figures are based on a spending average of $348 on lodging, meals and transportation on each of the eight days.

The figures appear almost identical to predictions by Games officials.

Both sets of games also will finish in the black.

"Ticket sales to sports & cultural events exceeded our estimates by almost 50 percent" said Gay Games spokesperson Kevin Boyer.

Official numbers from the Gay Games and Outgames won't be available until fall.

Gay buying power in the US alone is estimated at over $600 billion.
 
The Special Olympics athletes would kick both the gay and outgames peoples butts. :b
 
The Special Olympics athletes would kick both the gay and outgames peoples butts.

Um... ok.

Apparently someone missed the post above about one of the athletes breaking a world record.
 
Of course they would. After all, everyone knows gay bashers are a little developmentally disabled; hence, they're naturals for the Special Olympics
 
oh get a sense of humor adma. I added :p

Cripes, do you have different posting styles here and at franksters? I live and work and enjoy myself in one of the most artistic (by extension - gay) communities in the city.
 
Duppi, it's just that what you wrote wasn't funny, exactly, just a bit weird. You actually have to have humour in there somewhere.
 
Yeah Dupli, was that supposed to be funny? I heard one of the community collages was offering a course in comedy, may I suggest you take a course. You need to learn what a punchline is. lol To most queers it comes naturally!!!:rollin
 
Indeed, my response was more of an attempt to squeeze a little reflexive wit out of a puzzling statement--which was perhaps a misplaced/misfired attempt at a little "Franksters" anti-political-correctness. (But hey, that's why Franksters is a desolate shadow of whatever it may have emanated from. It ain't the early '00's no more, folks...)
 

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