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Designing Toronto for winter

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During the winter, and especially after a snowstorm like last Thursday's big one, I think about the things around Toronto that do poorly in winter, for example...

1. The rapid transit system. The TTC has often taken advantage of places like parks, railway ROWs, highway medians, etc. to build subway lines (and the entire Scarborough RT) out in the open, saving money to excavate tunnels for the lines. Problem is that these sections often get shut down during massive snowstorms, forcing hundreds of commuters to pile onto shuttle buses.

Perhaps it's time to take a page from Montreal's all-enclosed metro system? Or maybe we just need to put a roof over all our exposed sections of rapid transit.

2. Steep, slippery slopes. Some of my co-workers reported a bad stretch of Bathurst at Davenport or Dupont where the street negotiates an ancient lake shoreline, where during times of freezing rain and ice many cars were unable to go up the slope.

3. Meltwater on the street. When the weather gets warm after a big snowstorm, a lot of the meltwater in urban areas flows into the streets. The storm drains take a very long time to take in all the water, and so much of the water forms large pools at major intersections, right in the path of pedestrians. They also collect on the curb, and when a car goes over those pools of water at high speed, pedestrians walking on the sidewalk would get soaked.

4. Falling snow and ice from buildings. Very common and very dangerous... especially when they're falling off of skyscrapers and the CN Tower.

5. Unusable public squares in winter. I think of snow-covered Dundas Square during the winter when no events are being held. The square is covered in white except for some tracks in the snow of people who have cut across the square. A square that does so well in the summer is virtually useless in the winter.

Those are just five point that I could think of where Toronto could potentially do better in designing for winter. We could say that global warming will rid these problems for us sometime in the future, but we could also find solutions through design to address these problems.

Comments? Thoughts?
 
Interesting thoughts. I think the trouble is that many of these situations are more the exception than the rule. Be that as it may, all the points you raise are good ones.

Concerning rapid transit, there is no doubt that the TTC and the city should be better prepared for winter events like snowstorms or freezing rain. Toronto gets winter weather, so it's not like a surprise event. Delays can be expected now and then, but partial shut-downs should not occur. As for tunnels, I'm not so sure. Preparation and aggressive snow and ice removal should make up for the lack of tunnels where there are presently none. That being said, nothing wrong with tunnels.

Steep slopes and freezing rain: salt. I know people don't like it, but it beats broken limbs and concussions.

Meltwater and slush are annoyances compounded by drivers who don't think about pedestrians. The trouble is slow drainage and partial blockage due to snow and slush. I've lived in Ottawa, Kingston and Montreal, and the same problem occured in those cities. No one seems to know how to prevent it.

As for Dundas Square and other such places where pedestrians make their way across, what I find interesting is that no one examines where pedestrians walk and then plows out that pathway. Beyond that, there is no reason why the square couldn't host something in the winter. It's not that tough to clear.
 
What do other snowy cities do with their rapid transit during the winter? i.e. NY and Chicago (elevated)
 
what I find interesting is that no one examines where pedestrians walk and then plows out that pathway
Tell me about it! Yeesh! in the first winter with the Square the guy with the shovel would clear a grid-system of paths across the square. People don't cross the square parallel to Yonge and Dundas streets, they cross it at diagionals!!! So people would trudge through the snow and make their own paths, and still they would clear the same pointless grid system.
 
Maybe a bit of property owners' self-initiative might count, too, i.e. just like "be nice, clear your ice", also be considerate enough, on situations like last Friday morning, to shovel/bucket/drain-channel away meltage, which isn't that hard, really.

Then again, I'm the sort who tends to shovel not just my own sidewalk, but everything else on the blockfront. So, in a way, we're our own best "designers"...
 
Or, they can hire some private contractor to clear it for them and bill the homeowner like they do for cutting the grass (here, at least)
 
Solutions?

1. Double the cost of construction so people won't be late 2 days a year.
2. Abolish geography. Bulldoze the city flatter than Winnipeg.
3. Change the climate so snow doesn't melt.
4. Get rid of gravity so stuff doesn't fall.
5. Put roofs everywhere so there is no inconvient out-of-doors.

Excuse me, but, these are not interesting and they are barely thoughts.
 
3. Change the climate so snow doesn't melt.

We're working on that one. And it won't cost taxpayers a dime. That's how Alberta's giving back to the rest of Canada.
 
I wouldn't mind if stairs leading down into subway stations were somehow protected from slush and ice and leaves...far beyond an inconvenience, they're invariably treacherous.
 
Steep, slippery slopes. Some of my co-workers reported a bad stretch of Bathurst at Davenport or Dupont where the street negotiates an ancient lake shoreline, where during times of freezing rain and ice many cars were unable to go up the slope.
As I discovered, you could not leave the dowtnown core northbound between the DVP and Christie streets, which is something that does require fixing no matter how infrequently it occurs. Perhaps next time Bayview, Yonge, Avenue, Spadina and Bathurst are repaved, 100 metres of heating coils could be added to the northbound lanes at the Davenport Hill, similar to what you find at parking garage entrances. If they are only turned on on twice a year, so be it. God forbid the cost of constructon is tripled for a total distance of half a km of road.

There was only so much congestion in the first place because the cars kept on accumulating and accumulating.
 
I think more important than anything would be heating the entire exterior of the CN tower so that we don't have to shut down various roads and highways around the tower every time we have some ice and snow fall.
 
we could always ask dupont to coat the tower in teflon so the ice doesn't stick.

can't they use high powered lasers or directed energy weapons and melt the ice? it's time to put some of those military apps. to peace time use.
 
If I can't clear away the snow before it turns to ice, I sometimes put sand on top of it - instead of salt. Sand doesn't melt the ice, but it forms a textured coating that protects people from slipping.
 
My Cabbagetown friends all seem to prefer kitty litter over sand. I'm not sure why - possibly it's available at more places.
 

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