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Crumbling walls threaten to take City down

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Poor City design, that's what it is.

Crumbling walls threaten to take City down

Crumbling noise walls line highways throughout Mississauga. EMAIL PRINT

By: Joe Chin

June 28, 2007 - The City of Mississauga might have to borrow tens of millions of dollars or raise taxes to repair crumbling noise walls because homeowners — who bear the responsibility for walls on their property — refuse to do it themselves.

That’s the warning from City officials, who say they’re fed up with trying to persuade residents to do the right thing.

“We’re not far from debt financing,†said Martin Powell, the City’s commissioner of transportation and works. “(If the City is forced to pay the full cost of repairs), it will hasten how quickly we go into debt.â€

That day could be soon because the situation has reached a crisis point.

“We’ll be liable if a wall falls on a bunch of kids waiting for a bus,†said Ward 6 Councillor Carolyn Parrish. “And then everybody will be sorry.â€

Ward 4 Councillor Frank Dale noted one has to go only a few blocks along Burnhamthorpe Rd. E., a stone’s throw from City Hall, to see the extent of the problem. The walls, he said, are not only dangerous, but a disgrace.

“I receive complaints from visitors who say, ‘What the heck is happening here?’ †said Dale. “It’s an eyesore.â€

Noise walls, also known as noise attenuation barriers, are those at the rear of properties backing onto major roadways such as Burnhamthorpe Rd., Mavis Rd. and Dundas St. Prior to 1980, the City required the structures be erected on private property with maintenance the responsibility of homeowners. The policy was revised in 2004, so new noise walls installed by developers are to be located on municipal property.

The condition of many older noise walls has been a concern to the City for years. Trouble is, when it comes to repairs, citizens and the City are on opposite sides of the fence. No matter what City Hall tries — and it has tried — most homeowners stubbornly refuse to buy into the various rehabilitation programs.

“It’s been a career..and not a pleasant one,†said Ward 3 Councillor Maja Prentice, who first raised the issue some 25 years ago and whose ward is particularly blighted.

“It eludes our ability to solve,†said Ward 11 Councillor George Carlson.

Over the years, the City has offered to share costs, gradually upping it to the current 50 per cent. For a 50-ft. wall, the homeowner would pay about $4,875. An added bonus for them is that the new structure would be moved off their property and become the municipality’s responsibility.

“We’re offering a darn good deal because there will be no problem for them in the future,†Prentice said.

Still, there are few takers.

It appears residents object to funding a wall “that belongs to the City,†despite the fact the obligation is spelt out in the purchase-of-sale they signed when they bought the property.

“A number of residents expressed dissatisfaction with the 50/50 cost-sharing arrangement, some indicating financial hardship,†said Powell. “Some residents suggested that they would be more supportive if the cost-sharing formula was 67/33 or 75/25, with the City responsible for the larger share.â€

Powell said this approach would have a serious financial impact on the City, since in addition to an increased cost for these projects, there could be refund demands from residents who previously shelled out half the cost.

Parrish would like the City to pay the entire shot and get the problem over with. But that would cost at least $20 million. Realistically, said one councillor, it could be six times that amount.

The majority of councillors, however, object to all taxpayers chipping in, saying it’s the responsibility of homeowners, as noted in their property titles.

The City has a final weapon in its arsenal, if the carrot approach continues to fail. And that is to send in its Property Standards enforcement officers.
 
I hope Mississauga will finally raise business taxes so that Toronto won't be the only one with high taxes!
 
That’s the warning from City officials, who say they’re fed up with trying to persuade residents to do the right thing.

“We’re not far from debt financing,” said Martin Powell, the City’s commissioner of transportation and works. “(If the City is forced to pay the full cost of repairs), it will hasten how quickly we go into debt.”

That day could be soon because the situation has reached a crisis point.

Does this mean we'll stop hearing about how irresponsible Toronto is with it's finances?
 
In 10 years, these walls will be prime targets for graffiti spraying vandals.
 
It appears residents object to funding a wall “that belongs to the City,†despite the fact the obligation is spelt out in the purchase-of-sale they signed when they bought the property.

I don't see what is so complicated. There is a contract.


..or worse, threaten to remove the noise barriers and replace it with chainlink fence. Ha, try to sleep at night now...

I agree.
 
I don't see why they aren't already prime targets for those wielding spray cans, but it's begun in a few places I noticed a couple of months ago. Germany has some fantastic noise walls. Glass in some areas and colourful concrete in others. Glass is used in rural areas.
 
“We’ll be liable if a wall falls on a bunch of kids waiting for a bus,†said Ward 6 Councillor Carolyn Parrish. “And then everybody will be sorry.â€

If the city sends a letter to residents reminding them the wall is the property of the residents and sends letters to residents when there wall is falling into disrepair, then how would it be the city that is liable? It isn't the city's wall. If a mailman slips on your unsalted sidewalk or if something falls off your house and hits someone, it isn't the city that is liable, it is the home owner. The city taking partial ownership is the only thing that could be used against the city in court... they are almost willingly taking responsibility for a problem that isn't theirs.
 
But the city required the noise walls in the first place. I don't think that would make the city liable, but I can see the argument.
 
Just a philosophical question; what would there be about noise walls that'd compel residents to, er, "feel ownership"? And why would officials even have ever assumed so? Their public image is as miserable, ugly "necessities" that inspire neither heart nor love nor proprietary duty. And this is where it leads us--hey, shoulda seen it coming...
 
I think the city should yank down any unmaintained walls an replace them with chain link fences. When the noise comes pouring into their backyards they might all of a sudden feel a sense of need to put up a noise barrier and feel the benefit of having it there. I don't know why the city should have to pay for noise barriers. The arterial roads which have them for the most part existed prior to the houses that benefit from those walls. The walls in question were built by the subdivision developers I would think. I'm not sure why the city would need to take ownership of them. The benefit is only for those few houses which front the street with their backyards. I would think barriers between arterial roads and houses actually provide a disservice to everyone else.
 
Once again the Mississauga New's research department falls a few eggs short of an actual story. This has been floating around City Hall for the last year or so and actually at the next council meeting the final resolution is being voted on. I might be wrong, but most of the quotes in this story are taken from a council meeting from last year (and from which I know another MN article is written about but hell if I can find it).

Pretty much the city is tearing part of the wall down and putting the new one up, and charging 50% of the costs (plus interest) to the homeowners (proportionally based). The homeowner has a choice to either pay it all at once, or have it slapped onto their property taxes for the next X numbers of years.
 
Hey jeicow,

You wrote:


Once again the Mississauga New's research department falls a few eggs short of an actual story.

Actually, I was at the General Committee meeting last week when they discussed this. It's a decent summary (although an incomplete one as you can imagine considering how long the council noises about the wall went on).

You wrote:

This has been floating around City Hall for the last year or so and actually at the next council meeting the final resolution is being voted on. I might be wrong, but most of the quotes in this story are taken from a council meeting from last year (and from which I know another MN article is written about but hell if I can find it).

Those quotes are from last Wednesday's General Committee meeting. I can confirm this by uploading the actual Crumbling Wall Debate to YouTube. If the quotes sound familiar it's likely Councillors are making the same noises they made the year before. And the year before that.

You wrote:

Pretty much the city is tearing part of the wall down and putting the new one up, and charging 50% of the costs (plus interest) to the homeowners (proportionally based). The homeowner has a choice to either pay it all at once, or have it slapped onto their property taxes for the next X numbers of years.

Far as I know that's only just the theory. There are homeowners who refuse to pay the 50% and Council hasn't made any actual decision to force people's hands.

After the debate I drove over to Burnamthorpe to have a look at the crumbling walls and why Dale and McCallion hate them so much. They are really quite something to see and I took pics so I'd be happy to share them with you.

I grinned driving by several times (had to do several runs to get all the pics I'd need).

I see the Burnamthorpe walls as a Metaphor for The Corporation of the City of Mississauga. So I'm havin' fun with it.

Also. I have the answer to those walls. EASY FIX.

And again a dismal reflection of Council that they didn't think of this.


Signed,
The (I'm not in Mississauga anymore) Mississauga Muse
 
If the city ends up having to spend money no matter what, just expropriate the properties. Major corridors shouldn't have houses anyways. Just bulldoze them and replace them with something better, more sustainable. Imagine all of Burnhamthorpe (outside of MCC) lined with 3-4 storey retail/office/apartment buildings; it would be nice. Bulldoze the houses along Dixie, Erin Mills and Mavis as well.
 

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