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Buying in your Twenties (Globe)

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'Young people don't seem to mind buying from plans'


KATHY FLAXMAN
From Friday's Globe and Mail
June 6, 2008 at 12:00 AM EDT


Brian Hodgson is a young man who has his life mapped out and is wasting no time following the plan.

At 25, with a degree in psychology from St. Mary's University in Halifax, he's working in marketing at the Bank of Nova Scotia in Toronto.

Backed by three seasons of summer work in different departments, he's now helping financial planners with their marketing strategies, which he finds fascinating.

"The bank I work for has a large international presence," he says. "I like the idea of being part of a team like that. However, I also like the idea of striking out on my own one day."

The long-term view
Along with learning about the world of business, he's focused on another part of his life plan: owning property. By the end of 2009, if all goes well, he will be the owner of a one-bedroom condo with den in the downtown core.

"I didn't like the idea of renting," explains Mr. Hodgson, who currently lives with his parents in North Toronto.

"I really wanted to invest in my own future. When I finished university and came back to Toronto, it was time for me to move on to the next stage in my life.

"I'm working on paying off the down payment now, and if the building's closing were delayed, that could even be a blessing."

A property owner at 26, with a big mortgage to pay and the responsibilities of home ownership? Utility bills, property taxes, repair bills? Is being in your mid-twenties too young to be encumbered by major domestic responsibilities?

Mr. Hodgson clearly doesn't think so.

"I now live near Yonge and Lawrence and I hate the morning commute, about an hour, to work at Yonge and King streets. I will be able to walk to work," he says of his home-to-be in the Vu development by Aspen Ridge Homes.

Units in the building at Jarvis and Sherbourne streets range from $160,000 for 530 square feet to $710,000 for 1,500 square feet. "I looked at a number of downtown buildings and this appealed to me," he says. "I face south and west, and I am steps from the St. Lawrence market. I love to cook and entertain so this should be great."Mr. Hodgson is living rent-free at his family home while he puts money aside for his new condo. He also has some savings, and made some successful stock market investments that are going toward the purchase.

Over all, he is a canny consumer, paying his credit card bills in full and accumulating loyalty points for trips and other entertainment.

"I don't buy anything," he says, "unless I have the money to pay for it."

Along with sound financial planning, Mr. Hodgson says legal information was crucial. "I had a lawyer who, for just over $150, went over all the legal documents with me and highlighted everything I needed to be particularly aware of. ... It was worth it."

Agent Karen Davis of Sutton Group Bayview Realty Inc. meets a lot of young adults — "25 or 26, though, is younger than average" — who want to buy property, and says condos are a popular first-time choice.

"Things like taking out a loan for the down payment and the 40-year amortization mortgage make it easier for people to get into property. And young people don't seem to mind buying from plans," she says.

Experts say that young adults need to fully understand the financial aspects of buying, even before they begin looking. "Their agent should make sure they understand all the costs that will be involved. … There are things to know, such as that condo fees may be low for a few years and then rise if the cost of running the building makes that necessary," Ms. Davis says.

"It is very important for people of any age to get pre-approved by their bank for a mortgage," she stresses.

Many young buyers turn to their parents for financial help when it comes to a first home, either for the down payment, or to cosign for the mortgage.

"It isn't that there is discrimination against young people," Ms. Davis says. "Not at all. A mortgage company looks at your income and your credit history and bases its decision on that. Parents often are helping with the down payment and they may be asked to be on the title of the property by the lending institution."

Dorothy Wong of ReMax Goldenway Realty agrees that most people in their mid-twenties do not earn enough to carry a mortgage on their own. "They are probably in their first job earning about $40,000 a year. The banks want to see income of $60,000 to $70,000 for two years for a purchase in the $300,000 range," Ms. Wong says.

"Most people start to buy in their early 30s, and, in my experience, the majority are women looking at condominiums," she adds.

If the property of choice for young buyers is condos, it's at least partly because the developers make it easy. They may have mortgage specialists on site, and offer loans to facilitate the down payment.

Often there is a gap of several years between signing on the dotted line and completion of a condo, giving buyers time to pay off the loan for the down payment before beginning mortgage payments.

One young woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity, says this is how she and her fiancé are purchasing a two-bedroom condo at Yonge and Sheppard. It will eventually cost them about $1,400 a month to live in a building that's close to the subway and has green features as well as a gym and pool.

"The mortgage approval process went very smoothly," she says, adding: "This doesn't feel as bad as renting and although it's a bit of a long way off ... it is very exciting."

Until it's time to move in to her condo, the young woman, like Mr. Hodgson, is living at her parents' home to save money toward the purchase. But many people in their early twenties aren't interested in living with their parents, or in becoming homeowners."I've been on my own, paying my own rent and other bills for six years now," says Jenn Mason, 24, co-ordinator of international and retail special events for MAC Cosmetics.

"I wanted to be independent as soon as possible. I'm good with money but I haven't saved enough for a home yet. A lot of us are still looking at loans from school, too ... I think a lot of people my age who buy property have help from their parents."

Ms. Mason currently rents a downtown studio decorated with wrought iron and glass, an entire wall of photos by a talented friend and a stunning gold accent wall. Rent and utilities cost about $800 a month.

She wonders if people her age who are determined to buy a place are fully prepared for the realities of running their own home. "If you are living at home, and your first place on your own has a big mortgage and you suddenly have to cope with that, with loan payments and taxes, will you be able to cope with such a huge change in responsibility? Managing money and paying bills is stressful."
 
Wow, this article is about me, except that I didn't buy pre-construction, and used to commute from Mississauga/Burlington. And I used a mortgage broker, not a bank.

I conducted about 95% of my business at closing over fax and phone while I was at work :)
 
This article also represents my pre-sale purchasing decision. I was renting and working downtown and wanted to buy a place near my work that I could move into in a few years - when I was more financially stable.

With the help of my parents I was able to purchase a 1+den at the age of 23. They put in 15% of the down payment with me being responsible for the remaining 10% at closing, which was 2-3 years away. This was in 2006.

Well it's now 2008 and my plan has worked out. I've been able to save the remaining down payment (around $25,000) since then and my salary has increased enough where I could comfortably make my mortgage payments. The development is not scheduled to be done until next year, but that's ok. At least I can start focusing on saving enough money for my closing costs, furniture and nice upgrades.

I don't think that I would've been able to buy property if I waited until now... both from a resale and presale perspective. Prices downtown have been so expensive that I'd be literally locked out now!
 
^ Have to agree with you on that one. Toronto Life had a great issue a couple months back about how buying isn't always the best choice. People always say something like "at least im not paying a landlord or someone else's mortage" when they seem to forget that for the first couple years they are mostly paying interest, when they could have used some of those downpayment savings for better investments to buy in a few years with a much smaller mortage.
 
Or they could smith manoeuvre their mortgage and be done with it in almost half the time and end up with an impressive portfolio to boot.
 
Or they could smith manoeuvre their mortgage and be done with it in almost half the time and end up with an impressive portfolio to boot.

Yeah. Right.

Most people don't have rsp's and they are going to do that molasses move? And what if the equity markets crap all over? Or what if most investors are exactly what they are, sheep?

Oh goodie. Buy an asset like a condo that could only get diluted in value as more get built, as interest rates rise, and the condo fees go up, and then take existing risk and put it into a slow mo leverage manoeuvre. I can hardly wait to take a look at THAT asset composition 10 years from now....
 
I plan to continue renting for now, contribute that much more to savings and my RRSP, and once I've accumulated a decent amount of capital, put a large down payment down on a property and pay off the mortgage in less than 10 years, ideally 5. Given condo fees and the interest you'll incur on a 30 or 40 year mortgage with a negligible down payment, you may as well be renting, because you're certainly not paying down your principal any time soon.
 
Chuck,
Unless you are in real estate now, and have been in the last ten years, buying and selling is relative, so it don't matter what you do...

However, if you are a first time buyer, this market ain't for the forward looking smarty pants like you. Best to stick with your strategy. I've never heard of an asset class that can only go up by 100% over the course of ten years, with no downside risk....Toronto could easily drop by 20% across the board if a severe US recession occurs (ummm we do 90% of our trade with them, so there goes jobs, ergo income, ergo the overpriced house)...

Disagree with me? Go ask the yanks, the Japanese, Aussies, Irish, Spaniards, etc., how they felt near the top of their booms...
 
Chuck,
Unless you are in real estate now, and have been in the last ten years, buying and selling is relative, so it don't matter what you do...

However, if you are a first time buyer, this market ain't for the forward looking smarty pants like you. Best to stick with your strategy. I've never heard of an asset class that can only go up by 100% over the course of ten years, with no downside risk....Toronto could easily drop by 20% across the board if a severe US recession occurs (ummm we do 90% of our trade with them, so there goes jobs, ergo income, ergo the overpriced house)...

Disagree with me? Go ask the yanks, the Japanese, Aussies, Irish, Spaniards, etc., how they felt near the top of their booms...

I'm not sure how your post relates to mine. All that I said is that I want to hold off from purchasing property, build up my savings, wait until I have accumulated a 30-50% down payment on a property before I purchase it, and make sure that I can pay off the mortgage in less than 10 years.

I'd say that I'm more responsible than forward thinking. When I purchase a home, the intention will be to stay there for the long term. Blips in housing prices won't matter when you only plan to sell years in the future. Either way, it would be next to impossible to become upside down on your mortgage if you put in such a large down payment.

As for a down turn, I agree that we're due for one. Did you get the impression that I thought otherwise? Downturns happen every 10-20 years guaranteed, and each time people think that this time will be different. Well, it isn't and we're due for a correction.
 
...When I purchase a home, the intention will be to stay there for the long term. Blips in housing prices won't matter when you only plan to sell years in the future. Either way, it would be next to impossible to become upside down on your mortgage if you put in such a large down payment.

As for a down turn, I agree that we're due for one. Did you get the impression that I thought otherwise? Downturns happen every 10-20 years guaranteed, and each time people think that this time will be different. Well, it isn't and we're due for a correction.

Well, I do think you seem to be smarter than the average condo bear, so responsible is actually forward thinking and common sense, and how rare is that? Very.

Blips in housing? Ummm, we've been conditioned since Paul Volcker slayed inlfation in the early 80's to think of these long secular moves in stocks and real estate as guaranteed upward movement. Take a longer look backwards in history (Case Shiller Index for US housing) and these blips you speak of has ocurred in a secular move up. What if there is a secular move down due to assets being purchased with significant leverage?

To get the true history of housing or stocks, a history longer than 25 years need to be examined. And we can kiss the immigrant good bye soon enough to buy an overpriced house here...they are moving within the emerging market as that is where most future growth will emanate from....

...the rest, I have no clue about....:cool:
 
Holy crap..

This article is me in a nutshell! lol


i'm a 22 year old who's living at home with his parents and hate the commute to work.
My Parents aren't charging me rent as everything I save will go towards to the condo. And I would also be somewhat happy about a delay to save even more money.

I personally don't grasp the concept of renting, i prefer to own.

I work downtown for the financial institutions, and I ALSO bought a condo at Vu lol. Maybe he'll be my neighbour. I also have a South-West facing view haha.

Scarry!
 
By 2010 the mantra 'throwing money away on rent' will give way to 'blowing your brains out on a condo', or so I predict.
But the sentiment of "throwing your money away on rent" did not suddenly come about because of the current condo market. Not at all. Several cultures (mine included - I'm of European descent) have always held firm to the priority of owning over renting. So it's simplifying the issue to suggest that the desire to own a home (or to work toward owning a home after several years of paying a mortgage and taxes) only spiked for a generation of 20-somethings eager to buy over-hyped condos. For many people who are looking for a long term place to live, not just a quick turn around investment, home ownership has always been and always will be a priority, despite what the market of the day might be doing.
 
But the sentiment of "throwing your money away on rent" did not suddenly come about because of the current condo market. Not at all. Several cultures (mine included - I'm of European descent) have always held firm to the priority of owning over renting. So it's simplifying the issue to suggest that the desire to own a home (or to work toward owning a home after several years of paying a mortgage and taxes) only spiked for a generation of 20-somethings eager to buy over-hyped condos. For many people who are looking for a long term place to live, not just a quick turn around investment, home ownership has always been and always will be a priority, despite what the market of the day might be doing.

I agree - but I don't think that this means that one should go right out and buy a condo asap in your 20s, with a minimum down payment and a maximum of mortgage. I think home ownership should be a long-term goal you work towards. Jumping right in may be financially unsound.

This strikes me as financially unwise:

"Things like taking out a loan for the down payment and the 40-year amortization mortgage make it easier for people to get into property. And young people don't seem to mind buying from plans," she says.

Taking out a loan for a down payment and running up a 40-year debt to pay for a place you haven't seen?

I agree more with Chuck. In fact, I rented for a solid decade (I had a great rental situation), saving money and building up a nest egg of cash - and only then bought a house - half down, half mortgage, which I am paying off with extra payments to principal. I estimate I'll have it paid off in 4 years now.

Oh, the happy day - I'll cheerfully hold a "mortgage party". :D
 

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