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Blue Jays to increase payroll again

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Blue Jays to increase payroll again
By ROB GILLIES, Associated Press Writer
September 5, 2006

TORONTO (AP) -- Blue Jays owner Ted Rogers thinks the team needs to increase its payroll again next season.

The Blue Jays made a request to ownership several days ago and Rogers thinks the request is warranted. The team boosted its payroll from about $45 million last year to $72 million on opening day, and general manager J.P. Ricciardi doesn't think it is high enough to win the AL East.

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"I do think we need to increase the payroll," Rogers said Tuesday. "We are getting results from our fans. We have 38 per cent higher TV ratings, 22 or 24 percent higher ticket sales. As long as the public supports us, we can afford to do those things," he said.

Rogers is president of Rogers Communications, which owns the team. He praised Ricciardi, who added free agent pitchers A.J. Burnett and B.J. Ryan and traded for infielders Troy Glaus and Lyle Overbay.

Toronto entered Tuesday third place in the AL East, trailing New York, which had an opening-day payroll of $198 million and Boston ($120 million).

"We're so lucky to have him," Rogers said. "When he started the payroll was about $50 million and I raised it so that we would have it $70 or $75 million for three years."

Team president Paul Godfrey and Rogers wouldn't specify a 2007 payroll level. An increase requires approval from the Rogers Communications board of directors.

"His remarks today indicate to me that he wants to win," Godfrey said. "Nothing has been finalized with respect to numbers. We do know that he looks upon it favorably, but I don't think anybody should jump to conclusions of what that number could be."

Ricciardi said in Boston last Friday that the team needed to spend more.

"I think you can be competitive and you can have some good years, but I think these two teams, with their payroll, it's going to be really tough to catch them if we stay at $70 million," Ricciardi said. "If everything goes right, we might find a way to make the playoffs, but a lot has to go right to overtake those two teams. It's not sour grapes or anything -- it's just the reality. We'll be competitive, but up to a point."

Rogers didn't mind that Ricciardi spoke his mind.

"I'm never angered when I have a brilliant manager say what he thinks should be done," Rogers said. "That's what Rogers is all about. We don't go around telling people what they can say and not say."
 
If these payroll increases had come a year earlier, they could have kept Delgado. I'll blame this year on Towers.
 
It's nice Rogers wants to increase payroll again, but first they should get rid of Ricciardi. He's a terrible GM.
 
Why do you think he's terrible. He's done a lot of good for this club. We tried to get something for Delgado in his last year of his contract but he refused to waive his no trade clause and we were stuck with him and inevitably lost him for nothing. Blame Delgado for that.
 
Why do you think he's terrible. He's done a lot of good for this club. We tried to get something for Delgado in his last year of his contract but he refused to waive his no trade clause and we were stuck with him and inevitably lost him for nothing. Blame Delgado for that.

He's done an awful job accquiring and developing talent. The farm system is far worse than it was in the Gord Ash era. He's made a lot of questionable signings and trades. He's good at making it seem like he's doing a good job but in reality he's the worst GM the Jays have ever had.

The constant begging for money is just a ploy to divert attention away from the lousy job he's done.
 
Can you honestly compete with the Yankees and Red Sox until the end of the season with a payroll of what the Jays have?
 
Can you honestly compete with the Yankees and Red Sox until the end of the season with a payroll of what the Jays have?

Sure, the Tigers and Twins have similar payrolls with much better results.
 
Can you honestly compete with the Yankees and Red Sox until the end of the season with a payroll of what the Jays have?

Of course you can. It's done by using the money you have wisely and creating a strong developmental system. Ricciardi has destroyed the Jay's farm system and stripped it of much of it's talent. All the significant homegrown talent on the team (with the exception of Hill) are holdovers from the Gord Ash regime.

If Ricciardi actually did what he said he'd do - create depth in the organization - the Jays would've probably been in the race until the end this year.

Look at teams like Oakland and Minnesota - small market and low payroll, but they produce and accquire excellent talent consistently.
 
"Look at teams like Oakland and Minnesota - small market and low payroll, but they produce and accquire excellent talent consistently."

Hell, you can trash your team and sell off your talent and still win - see: Marlins, Florida.

The Yankees>Red Sox>Blue Jays>Orioles>Devil Rays finishing order is undoubtedly sustained partially by payroll differences, but there's always other things to worry about and other ways to win.
 
"Look at teams like Oakland and Minnesota - small market and low payroll, but they produce and accquire excellent talent consistently."

That is true to a certain extent but they don't have to overcome playing in the same division as they Yankees and Red Sox.
 
That is true to a certain extent but they don't have to overcome playing in the same division as they Yankees and Red Sox.

That doesn't really hold up considering the Jays have played both relatively well over the years (with some bad years too).

They also, in theory, should be able to beat up on the Orioles and Devil Rays too.

Both Oakland and Minnesota have winning records against the East and against the Yankees and Red Sox.
 
The Blue Jays have been bad on the road this year - they've been swept four times (Rockies, Marlins, Yankees, Indians) and each time has been away from SkyDome. The payroll argument doesn't hold this year against Boston...Toronto has won 9 of 15 so far and are only one game back.
 
Some of you are ****ing stupid. Comparing the Jays to the Twins and Athletics is pretty dumb considering they are not in the same division. Yes, with a reasonable payroll like Toronto's current one, they would be able to compete and win in the Central division which Minnesota, Detroit and Chicago lie in. But when your in a division with two teams that consist of the two highest payroll teams in the whole league, it will be tough for the Jays to compete consistently until the end of the season.
 
Then why do the Orioles always place below the Blue Jays? Their payroll has consistently been higher for the past decade. The Twins spent $40 million less than the White Sox this season. The A's spent $40 million less than the Angels. Sure, over the long term it's tough competing against teams with dramatically higher payrolls but anything can and does happen in a given year. The Marlins are 1 game behind the Phillies even though their payroll is 1/6 the size. If Toronto was in the AL Central, our payroll would still be over $30 million less than Chicago's. Anyway, we get chances to beat up the Devil Rays as often as we get chances to be clobbered by the Yankees.

Oh yeah, Towers lost another game today :lol
 

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