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After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous city)

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After you, Toronto tells Zurich

Courtesy competition

Published: Tuesday, June 20, 2006
Toronto is the third most-courteous city in the world, 18 spots ahead of Montreal, says a survey released today by Reader's Digest. New York ranked first and Mumbai, India, last in the "world's biggest real-life test of common courtesy," which analyzed 2,160 real-life situations in 36 cities.

The study addressed and broke several cliches: that courtesy was a thing of the past, that big, busy cities produce louts, that service-industry workers are increasingly boorish, and that youngsters are losing respect for their elders -- globally, people older than 60 were the least courteous.

"Common courtesy isn't a thing of the past," said Reader's Digest editor Bonnie Munday, who performed the Toronto tests.

Reporters from Reader's Digest editions went undercover, dropping papers in busy corridors and waiting to see who would help pick them up. They shopped for small purchases and watched as clerks, money in hand, turned their backs without a thank you. They followed people through doors, sometimes getting it slammed in their faces, sometimes, having it held open by a stranger who stepped graciously aside.

The three types of tests were conducted 20 times a day over three days in March, meaning 60 people came to represent the manners of each city. The researchers awarded one point for each positive outcome and nothing for a negative one, giving each city a maximum score of 60. The cities averaged 54%.

Toronto scored 70%, while Montreal came in at 50%.

Second-placed Zurich ranked high thanks to its store clerks, who thanked the reporters for their purchases in every store they visited.

One-third of Torontonians tested stopped to hold a door. The ones who didn't had an excuse. "Their thing was, 'Oh, I didn't see you,' or 'I figured you could get the door,' " said freelance writer Ian Harvey, who accompanied Ms. Munday.

Mr. Harvey added, "We found that elderly people were less likely to stop and help people pick up stuff. And we found that younger people were very quick to stop.

"What really impressed me was the young people were almost lightning quick and courteous, at least the ones we encountered."
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

Hey, I was in New York in March. Perhaps I skewed the results by taking my Torontian courteousness down to the big apple and held doors open for undercover Readers Digest reporters.

Does that invalidate the results?
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

Congrats to Toronto for coming in third, but I'm somewhat skeptical about this survey. I'm assuming the courtesy test was conducted in one location in the city, presumably downtown where people tend to be business-like and well-mannered. Not to generate any stereotypes, but carrying out the same test in some of the city's ethnic neighbourhoods, or in suburban areas might produce a different result.

There are some areas of concern for Torontonians when it comes to manners and courtesy, for example passengers leaving newspapers and food on seats and on the floor of TTC vehicles.
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

Apparantly the people conducting this survey have never been served by anybody in Toronto.
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

There are some areas of concern for Torontonians when it comes to manners and courtesy, for example passengers leaving newspapers and food on seats and on the floor of TTC vehicles.

Actually I find someone leaving a newspaper on the seat of a subway train very courteous...I do it myself. Just gives someone else the chance to read it.
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

SD:

I think most are doing it out of sheer laziness, and leaving it behind for others to read is just an excuse to be used in the event one is confronted for their act.

AoD
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

I always leave newspapers and New Yorkers I've finished with on the subway for other people to read. It would be such a waste not to reuse them that way.
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

Actually I find someone leaving a newspaper on the seat of a subway train very courteous...I do it myself. Just gives someone else the chance to read it.

The next person sitting down on the seat might pick up the paper and read it, but it's almost as likely that the person doesn't want to read the newspaper, and will brush the paper onto the floor.
 
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The view from the lower end of the courtesy scale... a piece from The Standard in Hong Kong (ranked 25th)

Link to article

Global courtesy survey gives us rude awakening

Hong Kong people are generally rude, according to the first worldwide courtesy survey conducted by Reader's Digest.

Joyce Kam

Wednesday, June 21, 2006

Hong Kong people are generally rude, according to the first worldwide courtesy survey conducted by Reader's Digest.

Hong Kongers finished well behind New Yorkers in the 35-city test but, if it's any consolation, they fared better than their economic rivals Singapore.

Reader's Digest conducted the courtesy tests in February and March this year, leaving out China and Japan where the magazine is not published.

"We sent out our undercover reporters to conduct three tests - [they] walked closely behind someone going through a door to see if people would hold the door for the person behind, made a small purchase and see if shopkeepers said `thank you' and dropped a pile of papers at busy spots to see if passers-by would help out," the magazine's Asia project editor Samantha Wong Suk-ling said.

Of these, Hong Kong was best in the dropped paper test, coming in at 11 out of 35. Hong Kongers were not so good at keeping doors open, finishing 22nd, while shopkeepers were downright rude with few saying "thank you" resulting in Hong Kong finishing 30 out of 35.

Overall, New York scored highest in the test with Zurich ranked second and Toronto third.

Asia scored relatively low with Hong Kong ranked 25, Taiwan at 28 and Singapore at 30. Seoul was even lower, at 32, followed by Kuala Lumpur 33 and the Indian city of Mumbai which scored the lowest.

"I'm quite disappointed by Hong Kong's low ranking," said Mary Cheung, a well-known image consultant with 11 years' experience.

"I think Hong Kong can do much better if courtesy is made a subject in our education curriculum," said Cheung, adding that as Hong Kong annually hosted many international events, it was necessary to have training in courtesy.

Professor Man Lit-wah, Program Head of Humanities at the Hong Kong Baptist University, said it was the cultural difference that led to the poor result. She added that Chinese acted according to their social roles.

"Chinese people show their politeness in a different manner. In traditional Chinese culture, there's a strong hierarchy structure, a sense of superiority and inferiority," Man said. "For example, youngsters do not expect their elders to hold the door open for them."

But she agrees that some forms of courtesy are culture-free like a simple smile and saying "thank you".

"Being polite is important as it can reduce conflicts and hence increase social cohesion," Man said.

Cheung agreed, adding: "Being polite is just being considerate. It's simple."
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

I'm also of mind that reusing newspapers is much better than just having them read by one person and then recyling them.

But, to the main topic, Torontonians are some of the kindest and most friendly people I've ever met. Just yesterday I was biking around town late at night and I needed directions to a pay phone to call up a friend, and all the clerks I asked glady gave the info. Also, I happened to bike around the gay village as well and a guy caught my eye. I propositioned him and discovered that he was visiting from Montreal and looking for a sauna, so I asked a random passerby if he knew of any - unfortunately, he did not. Um, the point was that the Montrealer declined my proposition because he said I was too innocent and had good karma, and our conversation changed his mood so much that he decided just to go to his friend's house and sleep off his horniness. So, it was an exciting night.
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

I lived in Riverdale until I was 25 then relocated to Hamilton for my job for 4 years. Upon arriving in Hamilton everyone was so insanely friendly that it made me nervous and frankly, suspicious. In time I came to realize that's just how folks are there and I left Hamilton with many great friends that I'd made, and a top impression of the people of that city. Returning back to Toronto in 1989 I found people to be anything but polite and helpful. The service industry sucks for the most part (which I happen to be in, I manage those dark places with flickering images), neighbors are cold and unfriendly (3 apartments & 2 condos that I've lived in since 1989), it's harder to connect & meet people here and I can't remember the last time I saw someone hold a door for someone.

I was only able to make these observations about Toronto after spending time in a much friendlier town by gaining a fresh perspective on same.

I love this city, it's my home and I'd never leave it again, but many of us could sure try a little harder in the friendly, courteous or helpful departments. How Toronto managed to come out as #3 truly surprises me.
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

After living in Toronto for several years I decided one Saturday to cycle as far north as I could in the ravines, a new experience for me at that time. At one point, far north, I passed by someone and they said "hello". I swivelled my head to see who it was, surprising as it was to have someone recognize me way up there. When the next person I passed did the same, I realized that I had crossed some kind of friendly-line without knowing it, and that perfect strangers were now going to be saying hello to me. I immediately turned around and went back downtown.
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

Greg:

Friendliness cut both ways however - a lot of times people aren't friendly because of the fear one's private space will be violated, whereas such "violations" might simply be considered a way of life in small towns.

AoD
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

After living in Toronto for several years I decided one Saturday to cycle as far north as I could in the ravines, a new experience for me at that time. At one point, far north, I passed by someone and they said "hello". I swivelled my head to see who it was, surprising as it was to have someone recognize me way up there. When the next person I passed did the same, I realized that I had crossed some kind of friendly-line without knowing it, and that perfect strangers were now going to be saying hello to me. I immediately turned around and went back downtown.

Yep, that's the law of the land out in the boonies/suburbs. When I bike downtown I still try to do the cyclist wave if I like their bike.
 
Re: After you, Toronto tells Zurich (TO 3rd most courteous c

Runners do the same thing - that little wave that says "you too, eh?".
 

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