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A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department stores

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This story definately points the way as to what may (will) happen to the Sears in the Eaton Centre:


City-building done right
In Chicago, a troubled downtown landmark gets a second chance
Sep. 3, 2006. 09:12 PM


Wham, then nothing.

In the 20th century, the closing of flagship department stores had the effect, in dozens of big American cities, of a neutron bomb going off.

The buildings remained — derelict — but the people were gone to the suburbs, where in fact the middle class had been fleeing to the miracle miles of malls, gas stations, fast-food joints, tract housing and free parking for years.

Nobody in downtown Chicago was celebrating last week when mayor Richard Daley received a letter from the parent company of Carson Pirie Scott & Co. saying the department-store chain would exit its historic flagship in the Loop district next spring.

In case you don't know Chicago, Carson's is like The Bay, the Loop is like Yonge St. — i.e. fundamental — and the store is on State St., "that great street" in Sinatra's song.

Carson's is the department store in all the architecture books. It was designed by Louis Sullivan, so good he was once Frank Lloyd Wright's boss. Theodore Dreiser immortalized the emporium's 1900 modernity in his novel Sister Carrie. And to this day believers in subliminal advertising think Sullivan's lush, leafy ironwork — framing the entrance and display windows — seduces women, enticing them through the doors.

Not enough women, or men, lately. Receipts have been sinking at the store; Bon-Ton Stores, Inc. of York, Pa., which bought the Carson Pirie Scott chain from Saks Inc. in March, is looking for smaller, cheaper digs in downtown Chicago.

But they may have to look hard, a fact that hints at a happy ending for the iconic American landmark building the store will leave behind.

Since the 1980s, condominiums have flourished in and around the Loop, and a huge student population has also appeared, commuting to classes in large spaces (many in the old department stores; there were once seven) now rented by organizations such as the School of the Art Institute of Chicago.

As the department-store model has grown tired, more youthful demographics have upped demand for specialty stores like Old Navy, Urban Outfitters, and Crate and Barrel. The building's owner, Palatine, Ill.-based shopping-centre developer Joseph Freed & Associates, LLC, is chomping at the bit to convert 250,000 of the 1 million square feet in the Carson building into those kinds of retail spaces, and use the rest for office, entertainment, and especially education uses.

Freed & Associates bought the famous structure from Carson's some years ago and leased it back to them while restoring important architectural features. Unlike Toronto, Chicago has preservation laws with teeth, and the 1970 designation of the store as a historic landmark reportedly means it can't be torn down.

But that wasn't in the cards, anyway. Such is the configuration of Sullivan's masterpiece — he pioneered the use of steel frames and so-called "curtain" walls, within which almost anything could be arranged — that the century-old building's value is greater for modern uses.

As Business Week reported, Bon Ton in fact had to be paid to leave State St., so booming, finally, is Chicago's Loop (named for all the subways and elevated trains that converge there).

"There's just more people down here," Freed's managing director, Paul Fitzpatrick, told Chicago's Daily Herald. "There are 60,000 students going to classes in the Loop... we'll be looking to add amenities to serve that student population base."

So is the closing of Carson Pirie Scott & Co. an ending or a beginning for Chicago?

"Carson's exit opens new doors," read a headline in the Sun-Times last Wednesday, giving a tentative answer.

Revolving doors, surely, in the never-ending cycle of city-building. Doors which, in this case, untypically lead somewhere in an American metropolis that has bucked the trend toward emptiness in the heart.
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

Though one may argue that Eatons/Sears is the less likely comparison point/candidate than Simpsons/Bay--esp. from an architectural and symbolic POV...
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

"Sullivan's lush, leafy ironwork"

Sullivan didn't design teh iron - Elmslie did.
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

Don't quibble; it's from the office--and implicitly in the spirit--of Sullivan. Only the most pedantic architectural historian type would disallow grace here...
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

I didn't mean to quibble...anyway, that was one thing that made Sullivan so great - his designs demanded that he leave detailing like the ironwork to others when they had finer craftsmanship than himself. I'm not sure if he would mind others in his office getting a little extra credit when due - Elmslie's ironwork is a tour de force even if the idea of the ironwork was all his master's. Maybe it depends on if Burnham was within earshot...
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

I remember how great department stores were in the old days, I'm sorry to see them go. Eaton's and Simpsons were great stores, very different then what we have today.
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

By the fourth generation, the Eatons were clueless.
 
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Yahoo News

Link to article

Chicago protests change to Macy's

By CARLA K. JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer Sat Sep 9, 4:21 PM ET

CHICAGO - Protesters marched, carried signs and called for a boycott Saturday because their beloved Marshall Field's store, the shopper's magnet on State Street for more than a century, had been replaced by a New York icon — Macy's.
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"Hell No. Not My Dough" and "Macy's Is Just Wal-Mart with Pretension," read some of the signs carried by demonstrators, who also toted Field's signature green shopping bags.

The store is one of about 400 properties nationwide being converted to the Macy's nameplate by Federated Department Stores Inc., which acquired them when it bought May Department Stores Co. last year.

But unlike most of them, the big Marshall Field's store had amassed generations worth of loyalty.

Amelia James said she treasures childhood memories of dressing up in white gloves to have lunch in the store's Walnut Room with her grandmother, Grace Denny Elder. She said she was going to cut up her Field's credit card and boycott Macy's.

"My grandmother was born in 1898. She shopped here her whole life," said James, 48, of Chicago. "There were six kids in our family. We didn't have a lot of money, but when she brought us here to Marshall Field's, it was one of the most special things."

The store was built in stages from 1892 to 1914, and was open during at least part of that period. Its name came from retailer Marshall Field, who got his start as a salesman in a Chicago dry goods store in 1852.

James was one of roughly 100 demonstrators who objected to the name change Saturday morning.

At the same time, however, hundreds of shoppers had started lining up two hours before the doors opened. Once inside, they listened to a jazz quintet as they used $10 Macy's gift cards handed out to the first arrivals. Workers in Macy's T-shirts offered silver trays of complimentary doughnut holes and coffee in glass cups.

"Things change," said Chicagoan Mary Peterson, 64, the first person in line before the store opened. Peterson worked for 18 years at Field's, packing the store's popular Frango mints into boxes as they came off the conveyor belt in the candy kitchen. She said she welcomes Macy's and was planning to shop for shoes Saturday.

"My mother worked here years ago when she was pregnant with me. I feel like it's a part of me," Peterson said of Field's. She acknowledged feeling nostalgic, but said she didn't object to the name change.

Macy's will continue selling Frango mints, but without the name Marshall Field's on the box.

The Marshall Field's building, covering a full city block, was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1978. The department store occupies eight of its 12 floors.

Federated, based in Cincinnati, became the nation's largest department store retailer when it bought May. The switch to the Macy's nameplate will give Federated a total of more than 800 Macy's stores in 45 states, the District of Columbia, Guam and Puerto Rico.

The company spent months preparing for the name change, switching credit cards, store signs and advertising. Federated officials said they can give consumers better products and a better shopping experience by unifying the stores under the Macy's label.

Along with the Marshall Field's nameplate, a number of Saturday's protesters also mourned the loss of other consumer landmarks in Chicago. Carson Pirie Scott's State Street store is scheduled to close next March and the Berghoff Restaurant closed in February, although it reopened as the Berghoff Cafe in April.

"It's these icons of our city that make it special," said Chicagoan Michael Moran, 47, who wore a White Sox ball cap and carried a large Chicago flag.

He said Federated could have retained the Field's name by simply adding the words "a Macy's store."
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

Funny store about how some US malls now have up to three Macy's locations due to the mergers.

3 Macy's stores at Torrance's Del Amo puzzle shoppers
Marketers say there are many good reasons for having three venues in one mall. A Robinsons-May is being converted into one of them.
By Muhammed El-Hasan
DAILY BREEZE
With the back-to-school rush done and the busy winter shopping season coming soon at the Del Amo Fashion Center, it's starting to look a lot like ... Macy's.

Starting today, Del Amo will have three Macy's stores. That's enough to make a Macy's shopping addict dreamy-eyed.



The mall's longtime Robinsons-May store will be converted to a Macy's today, the result of a corporate merger. The change comes less than a week before the mall's planned opening of an outdoor promenade.

"Right now, the customers will be able to enjoy three Macy's stores," said Marc Allen, vice president and general manager of Macy's Del Amo. "At first, the customers may be a tad bit confused."

Del Amo already had a Macy's and a Macy's Home & Furniture Gallery. The Robinsons-May sits between the two in a central part of the sprawling mall.

A year ago, Federated Department Stores, owner of Macy's, purchased The May Department Stores Co., which owned Robinsons-May, Foley's and other well-known brands. The cost was $11 billion.

Today, Federated will officially convert more than 400 Robinsons-May and other stores to Macy's. That will create more than 800 Macy's stores nationwide.

Last year, Del Amo's Robinsons-May was on a list of stores that Federated expected to close as early as this year.

But the location will remain open as a Macy's through 2006, Allen said. He added that it's unclear what will happen with the site next year.

Torrance resident Marlene Concha welcomed the conversion to Macy's.

"I prefer that Robinsons-May changes to Macy's because I prefer the Macy's clothes," said Concha, 23, as she was about to walk into Del Amo's Robinsons-May to browse with her husband. "It's better because we don't need to have two or three different credit cards. Now one will be enough."

But she seemed puzzled by the idea of having three Macy's stores in one mall.
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

By the fourth generation, the Eatons were clueless.

By the third generation, actually. John David Eaton's tenure was disastrous -- rot from within. By the time "the boys" took over in the 70s, the chain was already an also-ran.
 
Re: A Star story: the future of (our) downtown department st

I was in Minneapolis last week scooping up all the bargains as Macy's cleared out old stock at Marshall Field's to bring in new stock. Along with jackets, pants and shoes, I
brought back garbage bags full of Hugo Boss shirts, Ben Sherman, Claiborne, you name it. On average about $10.00 each!! Also bought calphalon cookware at a fraction of the cost of what it would cost in Toronto, even at regular prices and factoring in the exchange. People there do seem sad to see Marshall Fields go, in a similar way that a lot in Toronto were sad to see a tradition like Eatons go. The new stores are clean though and much of the staff has been retained. The service was quite simply impeccable....don't even get me started on Nordstroms!!
 
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Oh, god how I love Nordies!

I got tons of great stuff the second time Eatons went out of business.
 

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