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Toronto 507-513 Victoria Park Avenue | 127.5m | 39s | Sigma | Gabriel Fain
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Northern Light
Superstar
The above noted addresses can be seen here per streetview:
Victoria Park frontage: (houses only, vacant land beside the railway set to be self-storage)
Thora frontage:
Aerial view of properties, as described:
* it looks to me like this would almost certainly feature 4 Thora as well. I can't match the renders w/o it.
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At first blush, with some important detail missing, I think this would be a solid addition to the community.
The proposal would appear to require removing the southern extent of an existing laneway, which appears feasible:
No lobbying entries or other good clues, just yet.
Victoria Park frontage: (houses only, vacant land beside the railway set to be self-storage)
Thora frontage:
Aerial view of properties, as described:
* it looks to me like this would almost certainly feature 4 Thora as well. I can't match the renders w/o it.
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At first blush, with some important detail missing, I think this would be a solid addition to the community.
The proposal would appear to require removing the southern extent of an existing laneway, which appears feasible:
No lobbying entries or other good clues, just yet.
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rdaner
Senior Member
Interesting! As I have a cousin that lives just south of here I can say that this is a great area with a lot of amenities. Danforth actually isn’t bad here with cafés/restos popping up and Gerrard has gone full bougie on this stretch. As well Kingston Road is already fully redeveloped wth mid-rises and finally the ravines are extensive so lots of open space.
Northern Light
Superstar
I don't think anyone said it was bad.......... though....there are not many cafes at all in this area, I live near by.........patios are near non-existent, it's an issue I'm working on.
The section of Danforth right at VP, big box retail/plaza aside, is Little Bangladesh. It is quite hopping in the early evening.
Uh, no.
There's some upscale food retail right at Main/Gerrard, but little if anything east of there. This proposal is 1.5 km from anything 'Bougie'. Unless you're counting the recently renovated Loblaws.
Also no. There certainly has been some development of this type, particularly east of Victoria Park..........but 'fully redeveloped' even presuming that to be desirable is some time in the future.
Taylor Creek Park is ~1km away, it features relatively little 'open space'....though it does have some nice forest and wetland. But its amenity in that section is essentially just the bike path. There's little to no seating, no drinking fountains or washrooms (until west of Dawes)
The other side of VP is a golf course.
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I'm tentatively set to support this proposal, subject to details. But let's not sell any 'condos' on an erroneous description of the area.
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ProjectEnd
Superstar
At ~500k it'll be a big one:
Might even be two buildings, we'll see:
Might even be two buildings, we'll see:
Northern Light
Superstar
On PE's size comment:
Assuming we add in 4 Thora, the site is ~2100m2 or a bit over 22,000ft2.
I get where he wrote 2 buildings......but that's not a large site for that form......x 2
Working back from the idea of using the full footprint.....(which the renders suggest is not the case) ....
500,000ft2 gets you 23s, on a site this size.
If you occupy 60% of the area, you get ~32s
In the very first render in the thread there are 17s.
Someone want to help on my math here........... I think this site has to be larger to achieve the stated objectives.
That also seems to be a pretty behemoth floor plate.
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To extract some key bits:
600 purpose-built rental units. Good! Worth @HousingNowTO over.
The suggestion of a school is curious. My recollection was that a school was proposed on the Kilmer lands on the other side of the rail corridor, do we need another here or was that one nixed?
There are also two nearby schools just off Pharmacy north of Danforth, on a site shared with a Community Centre, that could be intensified. (current surface parking could be removed/undergrounded) to allow more useful/more indoor/outdoor footprint.
The schools are also laid out as separate buildings which is not terribly efficient.
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While I agree with Gabriel on angular planes and on performance-based massing........I already helped ditch the former and deliver the latter. I'm not big on posts that misrepresent where we're at as a City and devalue the work of others.
The 8-storey streetwall here is aggressive, and its not unreasonable to question it. Though I might be ok with it here.........its a somewhat unique site with one side being atop a hill set back from a wide road, and then bordered on another side by a self-storage facility and a rail corridor. I think we need to talk block context here and what will happen to the north and west in the future to ascertain the appropriateness of that.
'Performance' it needs to be said, meaning outcome-based design, has to account for every other thing that will be allowed as a result of this proposal being approved.
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Natika33
Active Member
I like how they're planning to have it meet Victoria Park at grade to remove some of the isolation the hill would cause. I could be reading it wrong, but it looks like they're accounting for retail uses on the first floor on the Thora side, which would make the 8-stories less aggressive in my mind - it might fit with the park they're showing too. (A cozy café over-looking a park you say? Somewhere to grab a picnic in good weather or sit inside to watch Mother Nature rage while I'm warm & dry in bad weather? Perhaps a spot where I wouldn't even need to leave my building to get to?)
I like the building's overall shape and colour too. But value-engineering, not getting my hopes up, blah blah blah disclaimer.
I like the building's overall shape and colour too. But value-engineering, not getting my hopes up, blah blah blah disclaimer.
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HousingNowTO
Senior Member
Adding to the watch-list.
Hyperreal.Edwin
New Member
Sites today, February 6th
Grey office building in 4th photo is not one of the sites (pretty sure)
Grey office building in 4th photo is not one of the sites (pretty sure)
Natika33
Active Member
Matching rendering to Google Map it looks like clinic/office building will remain indeed.
Application Details
www.toronto.ca
Docs are up; proponent is Sigma Group.
Additional renderings:
Axos:
Gabriel Fain's designs are strikingly beautiful, just saying...
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Northern Light
Superstar
I like a lot of his work too. He often makes good use of colour, and warmth, and shows some deft creativity at times too.
But unless I'm mistaken, (and do correct me if I'm wrong) we have yet to see even one get a shovel in the ground) That regrettably sees him in the same space as Partisans and to a great degree gh3 for lots of pretty pictures..........
I'm hopeful we'll see some of his stuff come forward. That's obvious on the various builders, not him........
There are several detached and laneway dwellings completed & U/C in their portfolio. The multi-unit and high-rise stuff is in the pipeline.
Here's 196 Manor Road East, built ~2017
Northern Light
Superstar
I appreciate the info. I only quickly scanned UT for anything w/their name in the title.
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That said.
Can't say I like this one at all. Plain box, with overhang, very auto-centric. Unattractive, non-native landscaping.
