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2009/2010 Election Timing

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This article raises some good issues about the challenges the Liberals face if they want to call an election:


PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL
IDN: 091070165
DATE: 2009.04.17
PAGE: A15 (ILLUS)
BYLINE: TOM FLANAGAN
SECTION: Comment
EDITION: Metro
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WORDS: 756
WORD COUNT: 766

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LIBERAL STRATEGY Whistling up the coalition from the dead Michael Ignatieff can't force an election alone. He needs the socialists and separatists

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TOM FLANAGAN Professor of political science at the University of Calgary and a former Conservative campaign manager The Liberals are feeling frisky. Last week, a "close adviser" of Michael Ignatieff told Le Devoir the chances were greater than 90 per cent that the Liberals would force an election this fall.

That seems like a favourable time frame for Mr. Ignatieff. Although some economic indicators suggest that the recession has bottomed out, unemployment will continue growing for at least two more quarters and may well be at its worst by next fall. Maybe that's why Mr.

Ignatieff is now publicly musing about reforms to employment insurance.

Making EI the main issue at a time when unemployment is at its peak might be a winning strategy. In any case, it could make voters forget that Mr. Ignatieff not only supported the Conservative budget but has adopted other Conservative policies, such as no bailout for the Vancouver Olympics, support for Alberta's oil sands, dumping the Liberals' carbon tax and ending the combat mission in Afghanistan in 2011.

There is, however, a big obstacle in the way: Mr. Ignatieff can't force an election by himself. He needs the votes of the New Democrats and the Bloc Quebecois to defeat the Conservatives on a vote of no-confidence. In other words, he has to reactivate the coalition with the socialists and separatists against which Canadians reacted so strongly last fall.

NDP strategists have practical reasons to be wary of such a ploy.

In the last election, they are said to have spent almost as much as the Conservatives. Can the Dippers afford another election campaign just a year later? And why would they rush into an election if the polls suggest the Liberals are going to do well? The NDP had its best results in 1988, when the Liberals were at a low point. In the six elections starting in 1993, the result has always been the same: When the Liberals go up, the NDP goes down, and vice versa. Jack Layton has worked hard in three campaigns to build up his party's caucus from 13 members when he became leader to 37 after the 2008 election.

Will he risk those gains trying to put in power a Liberal leader who mirrors the Conservative leader on so many major issues? The Bloc may also balk at an early election. Money is not the problem; since the Bloquistes operate only in Quebec, their campaign costs are so low that they can live off the federal subsidy without worrying about fundraising. But if the Liberal vote goes up in Quebec, the Bloc could lose seats in the Montreal area. It might compensate by picking up Conservative seats around Quebec City; but that's not a sure thing, because most of those seats are held by well-entrenched incumbents who might win re-election on their individual reputations.

So, as with the NDP, what would the Bloc hope to gain by forcing an early election? Gilles Duceppe might do better by trying to extract concessions in the fall fiscal update. Amidst the stimulus shower, Canadian voters will hardly notice some extra drops falling on Quebec if that is the price of avoiding another election.

If his coalition partners prove to be reluctant, Mr. Ignatieff may have to offer inducements. The big one would be participation in a ruling coalition after the election; lesser ones might include specific policies that the Liberals would pledge to enact if they formed the government. But such offers would make Mr. Ignatieff even more vulnerable to attack for whistling up the coalition from the dead.

And he is, indeed, vulnerable. He did not exorcise the coalition's ghost when he broke ranks with his erstwhile partners this winter to support Jim Flaherty's budget. There is the little matter of Mr. Ignatieff's signature on the coalition agreement, around which a whole suite of Conservative ads could be designed.

Mr. Ignatieff, moreover, sealed the deal on Nov. 30 when he played host to the other Liberal leadership contenders, Bob Rae and Dominic LeBlanc, at his Yorkville condominium. Despite some misgivings, the three announced their support for the coalition. Had Mr. Ignatieff decided to oppose it, the deal would have been dead. As Brian Mulroney famously said to John Turner, "You had an option, sir . . ." Bottom line: Mr. Ignatieff needs to resurrect the coalition to get an early election, but if he does so, he risks giving the Conservatives a big stick to beat him with.
 
The amount of disinformation the CPC spreads about the Canadian political system is INSANE.

You don't need to "resurrect the coalition" to defeat the CPC on a confidence motion. Painting parties who just happen to all vote against the same thing as part of a coalition (of "separatists and socialists" no less!) is incredibly disingenuous.

I suppose it's possible that the NDP and/or Bloc don't want an election right now, but I can't imagine them propping up the CPC on anything, especially given the amount of flack Layton has given the Liberals for doing just that.
 
Hey, didn't the CPC 'create a coalition with the socialists and separatists' to defeat Martin's government? Hummmm. That seems to be just the ticket to throw back in their faces if they try to play that card.
 
Well really it will not be till late 2010 till employment numbers turn around. Until then most will think the economy is bad.
 
I think there's some truth to this article. I don't see it as CPC disinformation. It's ground truth. What interest would the Bloc and the NDP have in supporting a resurgent Liberals that would reduce their seat count? They have never done so in the past.

This whole left solidarity thing is a myth. The NDP and BQ supported the Conservatives in taking down the Liberals because their target was the Liberals. Always has been. Always will be. Every point rise in the polls for the Liberals, means losses not just for the Conservatives but for the NDP and BQ as well. I can't see Jack Layton agreeing to an outcome where his party loses a dozen seats. Likewise for Duceppe. They may not like Harper. But at the end of the day they are politicians. They know that the real obstacle in their path is a more moderate Liberal party led by a more likable leader (Iggy).
 
It's not a question of working with the Liberals - that's not the way our parliamentary system works. The next election will happen when either the CPC calls for one or they are defeated on a confidence motion.

The NDP hardly ever votes with the CPC, because they are ideologically opposed to the CPC. Look at recent vote history: http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/votes.php?s=10

All those votes with 30-ish nays are the NDP voting against. The votes with 80-ish ays are the Bloc + NDP going against.

What I'm seeing here is that the CPC is likely to spin the next confidence motion defeat as "the coalition of socialists and separatists striking again!" Which is just as dishonest as all their rhetoric was this past fall.

Worse, though, it'll probably work.
 
The NDP hardly ever votes with the CPC. That's true. But is that true for every confidence vote? Thus far they have had the luxury of knowing that the Liberals will vote to keep the Conservative minority alive. That's why they can vote against the confidence bills. What happens when they know the Liberals are raring for an election that's likely to see their seat count go down?
 
If they start propping up the Conservatives they lose their favourite stick with which to beat the Liberals. Once the Liberals start voting against the government, they won't stop. I can't imagine the NDP+BQ propping up the government for any length of time. Consider one of the budget updates. As Paul Wells says, if it is framed by the Liberals as "The Conservatives have failed this country for any number of compelling reasons", do you expect the NDP+BQ to relish the idea of, for the first time in several years, saying that they have confidence in the government. It would be very damaging to the leftist credibility.
 
It's all messaging though. The NDP and Bloc would not run out and sing poetry about their love for the Conservatives. More than likely, they would try and find face saving ways, and in the Bloc's case concessions for Quebec that would give them an excuse to abstain from the vote or perhaps even vote with the government.

I still don't see why the NDP or Bloc would shoot themselves in the foot by supporting a Liberal bid for power that would reduce their influence....here I think the Bloc has more to loose than the NDP actually since there is no way that the Bloc will have as much influence on a Liberal government than they did on the Conservatives.

Seriously, if you were Jack Layton would you support a vote of non-confidence knowing that in a month you'll have a dozen less MPs on your benches? If Jack has that much integrity he might just get my vote!
 
The liberals should just merge with harper. They are on the same page, bar some social issues. The former progressive conservatives who got nothing from the union with the other conservative party should join up with NDP, and there we go. ^^



BTW, I find it very wrong to call NDP socialists. Lets not be americans to equate any sort of form of wealth redistribution towards the poor as socialism/communism.


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Seriously, if you were Jack Layton would you support a vote of non-confidence knowing that in a month you'll have a dozen less MPs on your benches? If Jack has that much integrity he might just get my vote!

Who says that NDP won't gain seats? The liberal constituents did not like harper... and now this igranatief kreten has let harper stay in power and has done what the NDP has accused the liberals of doing all the time since harper came to power - to be a quiet supporter of the conservative government.
 
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I'm not a huge fan of Ignatieff, but barring the Liberals getting badly outplayed on PR (and, to be fair, that's definitely happened before) I'd expect the next election to see a Liberal minority government.

Ignatieff is making a huge play toward the centre and centrist politics are what Canada loves. If Ignatieff's Liberals are similar to Harper's Conservatives but without the sinister backbencher fundamentalist Christian element, they'll take back a bunch of seats without breaking a sweat.

The CPC's biggest weak point is the fact that when you start to scratch the surface you realize it's still little more than the same Reform/Canadian Alliance party that Canadians rejected a bunch of times in the 90s.
 
I agree with you on that but I am hoping for a liberal majority. I want that big celebration feeling come the next election!
 
Given the levels of support Ignatieff is currently enjoying in Ontario and Quebec, I could see them reaching minority. Whether they can shore up their position out East and in the West will determine whether they can get a majority. I'm guessing that BC is their best shot for that, though Iggy might be able to snag a seat in Alberta giving all the sweet nothings he's been whispering in the oil and gas industry's ear.
 
Iggy is going for the centre because...

A. He is a centrist

B. The centre is always the best, duh...

C. Most people are centrist
 

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