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That's two different directions, and yes, because that's the way the system was designed to operate -- go read the Bloor-Yonge crowd control thread for the fallout of a decision made over 40 years ago. Bloor-Yonge would have been designed differently if the architect (Norman Wilson) knew that...

Interesting discussion, but SOS really doesn't have to do anything, except sit back and wait. Transit City will be a total failure (guaranteed), and that will be the end of LRT in Toronto. So, just let the TTC hang itself with its own noose. I've been around long enough to know that things...

Even Metrolinx, who was pro-subway on Eglinton, had to back off. We can't even afford light rail, let alone subways. As for Steve Munro, I respect his opinion, but I've told him many times that he doesn't realize that, at a subconscious level, his advocacy is tainted by railfanism and his...

Go visit the Toronto Archives and pull up all the TTC meeting minutes from 1966 and 1967. Stacks of reports as well. Also, talk to Steve Munro. He and I were both there. The TTC purposely scheduled the system so that it would fail. It was complex to manage and they simply could not be...

Nope -- it was mothballed because the TTC wanted a simpler system.

Yes -- that was my idea, and I submitted it to Metrolinx. My idea was to replace the Spadina streetcar with a southerly extension of the Spadina subway and have it terminate at Union Stn. The Spadina subway would then operate as a completely independent line. Then, Yonge-University and...

In the early 1980s, the TTC ran ads in all subway trains encouraging passengers to transfer at St. George if their destination on Yonge was Dundas, Queen, or King. When the integrated 3-route system ran in the 60s, 65% of BD passengers from the east-end used the Bloor-University wye (via Bay...

Wow, you guys are really dreaming. Even the 2nd Av. subway in NY isn't going to be 4-track. Nobody builds 4-track anymore because nobody can afford it. As for interlining, the only place it made sense was at Bloor and Avenue Rd., and now that is impossible. I was told by a senior planner...

Because the system was originally designed for integrated operation during rush hours only; at other times upper St. George and lower Bay needed to be configured to operate as alternating stub terminals for Yonge-University. The University tracks at St. George were specifically placed on the...

It had to be designed that way because of the grades -- they couldn't go down from Museum and back up to merge before Bay. It had to happen at Yonge. Because Bay is inside the wye, it has two levels. The twisted arrangement people refer to here was also not possible, as the wye was designed...

We did interline in 1966 for six months. Politics and cost killed it. The problem was the TTC's service pattern that required strict alternation of destinations. This required a scheduling system whereby trains would constantly change routes, so, a crosstown train would become a downtown on...

More brilliant ideas. Extend the DRL north of the Danforth? Sure, that way it can become crowded by the time it reaches B-D to standing-room only levels, just like Spadina-University and St. George. The University line and St. George were both viable alternatives to Bloor-Yonge before the...

"The point of a DRL isn't to eliminate all passengers at Yonge and Bloor, it's to give people more options so they're not all basically forced to go to a choke point". They're not all forced to go through B-Y today. Why don't those passengers from the east transfer at St. George instead...

Nobody's saying a subway line is supposed to be full at Station 1, but a Queen subway line from Neville to Long Branch? The whole concept of the DRL is flawed anyway. It would force most passengers to transfer twice from the B-D instead of once. A true DRL would parallel the Yonge line's...

Some of the posts here about a full end-to-end Queen subway are really stupid. There is insufficient demand at the outer ends of Queen to justify a subway. Any Queen line would have to veer north to connect with the B-D. As for whether the DRL should go under Queen or further south, ideally...

Now you're contradicting yourself. Why is Giambrone *fairer* game? ... because you don't like him but you like Steve Munro? Anyone who is as vocal and influential as Steve Munro is fair game, whether you agree with him or not. Two things happened in the early 70s that forever changed our...

I was around in the late 60s/early 70s and the Queen subway (what you young whipper-snappers call the "DRL"), was on its way to becoming a reality. Its construction was considered absolutely necessary because the plan, at that time, was to abandon all streetcar service in Toronto ... FULL STOP...

Most people in the northern-416 don't really care about TC. If it was cancelled to build a DRL, I don't think they'd shed a tear.

The only way you'd know if Steve really supports the DRL is if they cancel TC to build it instead.

Yes, I'm totally obsessed about Lower Bay. I blog about it like Steve does, and I've dedicated my whole life to watching its tiles rot. I also attend every TTC meeting and ask that it be un-mothballed. Get a grip. We're talking about LRT advocates being out of touch with reality, and...