mcbg1
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When is the Bremner Concourse due to open?
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WB62
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Neither option requires people to go outside, the new CIBC Square route is fully indoors, the Scotiabank route is too. Both routes a combination of elevators and ramps.
Not sure, half of the project has progressed significantly less than the other half, so it really depends on if they want to do a phased opening or the entire thing at once. The entire project is set to be complete in 2029
WB62
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I created before and after maps to better represent the USEP scope change we found out about today:
The previous design forced up to two entire trainloads down one escalator into the concourse, and mobility challenged individuals would have needed to travel 400 metres to access the nearest elevator, this is no longer a problem in the modified design.
The additional entrance in the Bay East Teamway is good for commuters, without this entrance the Lakeshore services would be inaccessible from the teamway.
Now that Union Station will have a presence on Yonge Street, I hope there will be adequate signage guiding customers to things that can’t be accessed through these entrances, because the TTC and most points of interest are so far from this area:
The previous design forced up to two entire trainloads down one escalator into the concourse, and mobility challenged individuals would have needed to travel 400 metres to access the nearest elevator, this is no longer a problem in the modified design.
The additional entrance in the Bay East Teamway is good for commuters, without this entrance the Lakeshore services would be inaccessible from the teamway.
Now that Union Station will have a presence on Yonge Street, I hope there will be adequate signage guiding customers to things that can’t be accessed through these entrances, because the TTC and most points of interest are so far from this area:
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Sauga89
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I wonder now about access from areas east of Yonge. If a north-south pedestrian tunnel were built, those additional entrances would be able to serve both the Pinnacle One Yonge development, as well as any redevelopment of the Church Street parking garage. Jarvis will also now be less than 400 metres away from the nearest platform entrance.
nightstreak
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That's what I'm thinking too. The Church St. parking garage is ripe for a major development that could extend the PATH almost to St. Lawrence Market. The CIBC Square bridge to Backstage didn't make sense all on its own. Why connect this massive multi billion dollar office complex to a single condo — no offence to the condo residents. The platform extension and exits east of Yonge starts to make this make more sense, particularly if the parking garage is being taken into account as a future development.
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There has been talk of 'doing something' with the Church Street Green P (including continuing Church Street south under the berm but the TPA is in the final stages of a massive (and very expensive) refit of the building and there is a large TCH building on top of it (55 The Esplanade). Though they could (and should) link the strange Backstage bridge to the Green P and then create a legal walkway through it - one can walk it now if you ignore the "No Pedestrian" signs - the total re-build/re-think of it is probably many decades away.
EdDrass
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The new bridge over Bay was closed earlier this morning. I saw some signs of work on the CIBC Square side of the walkway.
Civdis
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There is a corridor roughed in on the 2nd level of Backstage that I beleive was meant to extend the PATH to the Green P garage eventually. That parking building is massive and a PATH connection to it would make it very convenient for Scotiabank Arena patrons.
Civdis
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Went to the ballgame last night and took these of progress on the west side of the USEP.
Civdis
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Once Union is mostly complete say in 2030 or so, how will it compare to major train stations of the world in size and capacity? It must be one of the largest in North America, think Penn, Grand Central etc
Amare
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I'll speak to your first point: Union station is far from complete my friend.
After the Bremner concourse is complete we have:
1) The main platform reconfiguration project
2) Streetcar platform expansion and reconfiguration
3) Yonge St PATH project/connection (concept stage right now)
4) OCS project (who knows if this will ever really happen)
This is all to say, there's still another 10+ years of work upcoming.
WB62
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The brunt of the work that would significantly affect passengers is thankfully over though, after USEP is done Union is going to look fully completed
Gone are the days of public areas looking like this:
Gone are the days of public areas looking like this:
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I am a bit puzzled, are they thinking of building new teamways under the rail berm on the east and west sides of Yonge Street or only 'Virtual Circulation Elements to get one up/down from the new bridges to the north side of the berm and the existing (ghastly) sidewalks?
WB62
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From the 3d diagram included in the presentation, it does look like they are building tiny lobby areas for
the new entrances:
My suspicion is that they’ll be extending these spaces north as the legacy platforms are merged and lengthened, to create full teamways. Something like this:
This appears to be a cut and cover project, so building the full teamway at once is impossible without cutting the rail corridor off.
Sauga89
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I wonder why there's no connection planned between the Bay vertical circulation and the Yonge west vertical circulation. They look like they wouldn't be far apart.