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Bradford Bypass (MTO, Hwy 400 - Hwy 404)

Once you delve into taxes, tax rates and all that goes with it, you open a very complex issue - so how do you enjoy your free health care? And are you one of the 25 to 50 million Americans without any health insurance at all? This is a complex question, along with like questions such as the cost of cell service, which can then be related to many other questions such as Made in Canada, Owned by Canadians, Canadian Health Standards for such things as milk….the black and white comparables just do not tell the story so often.
Dealing with many of these issues would require bold actions on the part of the government and perhaps industry. Red tape reduction, legislation, and many other tools should be used to make changes to bring down costs. out of control costs like out of control spending is not sustainable long term its just not.
 
This highway is overkill.

A 2-lane regional road would have been sufficient for this area. It didn't need to be a 400 series highway.
Possibly recognizing the inevitable. A 2-lane road connecting two 400-series highways doesn't seem to make much sense. A 2-lane provincial highway would have at-grade intersections with every north-south road it encounters. That would probably promote sprawl faster than a closed access route, and if traffic volumes are high (no clue what the engineers are projecting), the more intersections equals a higher collision rate.
 
Can we use your argument (bolded above) with respect to bike lanes, Eglinton East LRT, Alto? Why should I, as a taxpayer, subsidize those modes of transport that I'll never use?
Driving is a lot more subsidized than other means of transportation, whereas as walking and biking are dirt cheap in comparison!

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Back to the Bradford Bypass, while I'm not that keen on that project - heard it goes through some sensitive marshlands - I'm nowhere near as opposed to that one as Highway 413.
 
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Back to the Bradford Bypass, while I'm not that keen on that project - heard it goes through some sensitive marshlands - I'm nowhere near as opposed to that one as Highway 413.
That's what I've been saying!

One of the major distinctions here, to me, is that there is a substantial existing population being served by this, both locals and passers-through, for trips that cannot be reasonably accommodated by public transit. It will also enable a denser built form in Bradford and along Green Lane by cutting down on the freight traffic through areas that could otherwise become transit-oriented development. It would also shorten a lot of trips that people don't even think of, such as between Simcoe County and Georgina. Not to mention the fact that the bypass can also be used by buses!

There are problems with the plan, sure (it does cut through a narrow section of the Holland Marsh for about 1 km), but this routing is the best solution I am aware of.
 
If you live in Barrie or Keswick and get a job downtown, this highway you are defending will not help you get to work any faster.

I hope you understand that.
Don't forget this will provide redundancy, and that is very important in a transportation network. If the 400 is closed for some reason (accident etc), this will provide a great relief.
 
Don't forget this will provide redundancy, and that is very important in a transportation network. If the 400 is closed for some reason (accident etc), this will provide a great relief.

Can we reframe this? Does Hamilton, a city of ~640k at the tail end of the most populated side of the GTA deserve more highway redundancy than Barrie, a city of less than 200k? Should the 407 be extended into Flamborough and Dundas? A second highway north to Barrie makes no sense. Dundas is 70 km away from Downtown Toronto. Barrie is 90 km away.

A perpendicular highway will not provide redundancy
It will provide redundancy, but it would be highly unnecessary and a poor use of taxpayer money. It would quite literally bring about negative marginal returns.

Toronto is underbuilt as a major city with its population size, with respect to highways and public transit in general, which, along with a tolled 407, has made congestion in that city and area a problem for years now.
Resounding yes for underbuilding public transit, no for underbuilding highways. If anything, the GTHA has more highways than a typical world city/metro area of similar size. Even compared to the US, Toronto isn't lacking highway capacity.

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Can we reframe this? Does Hamilton, a city of ~640k at the tail end of the most populated side of the GTA deserve more highway redundancy than Barrie, a city of less than 200k? Should the 407 be extended into Flamborough and Dundas? A second highway north to Barrie makes no sense. Dundas is 70 km away from Downtown Toronto. Barrie is 90 km away.


It will provide redundancy, but it would be highly unnecessary and a poor use of taxpayer money.
One of the biggest arguments I would have about Hamilton's highways is that, unlike Toronto and the cities directly adjacent to it, and Barrie, Hamilton's highways have not been touched with respect to major upgrades or widenings in like forever. outside the Hwy 5/6 interchange, "talk" of provincial uploads for the LAP and Redhill, and some work on Hwy 6 south, nothing major is going on. I hope that eventually changes
 
One of the biggest arguments I would have about Hamilton's highways is that, unlike Toronto and the cities directly adjacent to it, and Barrie, Hamilton's highways have not been touched with respect to major upgrades or widenings in like forever. outside the Hwy 5/6 interchange, "talk" of provincial uploads for the LAP and Redhill, and some work on Hwy 6 south, nothing major is going on. I hope that eventually changes
See above, also Hamilton traffic is much better than Toronto traffic. The highway network is much larger for the population size. In my experience, you can reasonably expect 60 km/h average speeds driving across the city (trips starting or ending in a suburb). Toronto, you're lucky to average more than 30 km/h.
 
See above, also Hamilton traffic is much better than Toronto traffic. The highway network is much larger for the population size. In my experience, you can reasonably expect 60 km/h average speeds driving across the city (trips starting or ending in a suburb). Toronto, you're lucky to average more than 30 km/h.
I think Highway 403 should at least be widened a bit that imo would help with the congestion that often occurs
 

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