Mississauga Square One District | ?m | 65s | Oxford Properties | Hariri Pontarini

superior_chromatic said:
I noticed that on this illustration the location of the current transit terminal is labelled "Station Gate Rd".

I do appreciate the E/W woonerf on this concept.
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Good eye! Totally missed the woonerf label on that one, that would be awesome to see here. I would love to see more pedestrianization in this area in general especially the section of Sq 1 drive between CCTT and SQ1, I think that should just be blocked off for cars to be honest similar to what the City did when they joined Celebration Square and City Hall lol.

I wonder what Oxford and the City have in mind for the CCTT.plot in the future given this concept. I think I remember drum rambling (i mean this kindly lol, he's a legend) about an urban school K-12 mega-campus in this area a while ago, it wouldn't be a bad idea if/when the downtown terminal just north of this gets built.
 
cheerio said:
Good eye! Totally missed the woonerf label on that one, that would be awesome to see here. I would love to see more pedestrianization in this area in general especially the section of Sq 1 drive between CCTT and SQ1, I think that should just be blocked off for cars to be honest similar to what the City did when they joined Celebration Square and City Hall lol.
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I agree. The volume of car traffic on this stretch has already been reduced. With the single lane and the frequent pedestrian crossings I get the sense that plenty of drivers already avoid it by default. Fully pedestrianizing it wouldn't be too big a shock.

Personally I find the best execution of pedestrianization in city centre is the alley that runs N-S midblock in the blocks between Confederation and Living Arts. It runs between several tower developments, with their townhouse developments facing each other along this alley. In the summer it's the closest I've seen to porch culture anywhere in Mississauga. If more of this could be encouraged around city centre it would go some ways toward shifting attitudes toward walking!
 
Undead said:
And?
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Triumph of bad policy over logic. MCC has very bad transit connectivity. Squeeze zoning everywhere else so that high density is only permitted in places selected for the vanity of former mayors, not where those people can readily be served by higher order transit.
 
afransen said:
Triumph of bad policy over logic. MCC has very bad transit connectivity. Squeeze zoning everywhere else so that high density is only permitted in places selected for the vanity of former mayors, not where those people can readily be served by higher order transit.
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Density alone without adequate supporting infrastructure doesn't make a place urban. But many on this forum still cling to that belief.
 
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A 47-storey mixed-use tower is proposed for Square One Block 5 in Mississauga, part of Oxford’s masterplanned Square One District redevelopment. The project would deliver 518 units near the future Hurontario-Main Line 10 LRT.
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afransen said:
Triumph of bad policy over logic. MCC has very bad transit connectivity. Squeeze zoning everywhere else so that high density is only permitted in places selected for the vanity of former mayors, not where those people can readily be served by higher order transit.
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I think MCC has the best transit connectivity in Mississauga. Where else would Mississauga put high density? From MCC, you can get on a bus to anywhere in Mississauga or a direct bus to Union. So I'm not sure what this whinging is about.
 
Undead said:
Density alone without adequate supporting infrastructure doesn't make a place urban. But many on this forum still cling to that belief.
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It is a chicken and egg thing. Both governments and private enterprises can’t justify allocating huge sums of scarce money to build needed infrastructure or businesses till the density materializes. Toronto didn’t have subways from day one. Secondly, historically Mississauga was a satellite suburb of Toronto and in many ways it still is. Name an example of a small town or suburb that built the infrastructure before population/density warranted it?
 
Dan416 said:
I think MCC has the best transit connectivity in Mississauga. Where else would Mississauga put high density? From MCC, you can get on a bus to anywhere in Mississauga or a direct bus to Union. So I'm not sure what this whinging is about.
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It's poorly located for regional transit. Cooksville or Port Credit would have been better places for high density.
 
afransen said:
It's poorly located for regional transit. Cooksville or Port Credit would have been better places for high density.
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That wasn't what you said. You said the transit connectivity is bad, which isn't true. Even from a regional transit perspective, tons of GO buses pass through the Square One terminal to points all over the GTA, from the airport, to Union, to Hamilton, to Yorkdale.

If you said there are no heavy rail connections, that's true, but it's not what you said. Say what you mean, don't make up BS when there are valid points. If you make up a BS argument, any real arguments you have are overshadowed by your initial argument being flawed/untrue.
 
afransen said:
It's poorly located for regional transit. Cooksville or Port Credit would have been better places for high density.
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Yes, if Cooksville Station was developed as the core, with the regional bus connectivity that Square One GO presently has, it could have been better than the present MCC. It would have been limited somewhat by the distance from the 403.

In any case, that ship has sailed, and personally I find it more interesting to think about how MCC could be improved rather than lament what could have been.

The Lakeshore lines are great for connecting to destinations along the Lakeshore. It isn't (and would never had been) ideal for connecting to midtown Toronto, Guelph, KW, Vaughan, Markham. Speaking from experience, Square One GO has been much more useful for me for 80% of my regional commutes (e.g. to Hamilton, Guelph, Vaughan, and Markham) than Port Credit. Port Credit only has an advantage if I'm trying to get downtown or to western/lower Scarborough.

The GTA needs more regional east-west rapid transit corridors that don't converge in Union. A Milton-midtown GO line with transfers to TTC lines 2, 1, 3, 5, and 4, the Kitchener-Waterloo, Barrie, and Stouffville lines. A higher-frequency 407 line, maybe as a regional LRT a la Go-ALRT.

If and when these happen, MCC is definitely better placed than Port Credit (and a wash with Cooksville) as a regionally-connected high-density node.
 
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Dan416 said:
That wasn't what you said. You said the transit connectivity is bad, which isn't true. Even from a regional transit perspective, tons of GO buses pass through the Square One terminal to points all over the GTA, from the airport, to Union, to Hamilton, to Yorkdale.

If you said there are no heavy rail connections, that's true, but it's not what you said. Say what you mean, don't make up BS when there are valid points. If you make up a BS argument, any real arguments you have are overshadowed by your initial argument being flawed/untrue.
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I don't consider GO buses to Union to be good service.

MCC has no heavy rail connection or prospects for same, without very high cost and mediocre subway extensions. At the least, MCC should have been oriented toward Hurontario instead of a 1-2 km away from it. The whole Line 10 loop/wye situation is kind of a testament to poor planning.
 
I think once Hurontario LRT is complete and if Eglinton LRT gets extended to intersect with Hurontario LRT and also if they re-align the Milton Go Transit to add a stop at MCC, then you will have 3 seperate transit lines intersecting at MCC. And maybe a few decades from now, the Bloor Subway line gets extended to MCC and we can create a proper Transit Station. But MCC has a lot of potential for all of this. It will take decades but it will get there. Maybe in 40 years or so.
 
afransen said:
I don't consider GO buses to Union to be good service.

MCC has no heavy rail connection or prospects for same, without very high cost and mediocre subway extensions. At the least, MCC should have been oriented toward Hurontario instead of a 1-2 km away from it. The whole Line 10 loop/wye situation is kind of a testament to poor planning.
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Have you taken GO buses? Off-peak, they provide better service than any GO train.

The 21 bus literally drops me off at Hurontario & Elm Dr, and my walk home is like 1 minute. The GO train doesn't give me that. And when I'm taking the 1:20 am or 2:20 am bus, it can be as fast as 30 min or less from Union. Technically I live in Fairview (north of Elm is MCC, south of it is Fairview) but I'd still call it MCC.
 
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