SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
MSF from the sky
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
The $2B is for the tunneled portion.
Without the tunnel, it would have been around $900M. I don't remember the exact number and can't find the document right this very moment.
This is what happens when you have council infighting with residents and the old guard, and projects delayed for a decade due to council being unable to delegate because of their factions.
drum118
Superstar
I count 16 cars in the yard up from the 4-6 I saw in February as they were on the tow north tracks only and nothing next to the carhouse. Either some been moved out doors or more have arrived since then.. There are supposed to be 27 for opening day.
Allandale25
Senior Member
The City of Brampton has never broken it down in writing by describing it as "From Steeles to Wellington" and "Wellington to Nelson" when it comes to the cost estimate. The cost estimate is for the entire 3.8 km length, as shown in multiple City staff reports on the City's website. Your wording is incorrect and not Brampton's.
drum118
Superstar
Part 1
March 27
More up on my site.
No change to King St Guideway. The north-west corner of Dundas is clear of hydro work but the north-east still in process with no one sight every time I been down there.
Track work is ready to be pour from Paisley to the first haft of the fire station/plaza driveway that will have an impact on the LRV's. With the large amount of left turns in and out of the plaza, it opens a high change of seeing accidents for that driveway regardless if signs are posted for no left turns.
A sub station is in place to the west of Hurontario on The Queensway next to the hole for the new hospital.
Starting April there will be no left turn northbound for the North Service Road area and saw no sign for southbound as I may have miss it well on the other side of the bus. The new westbound lane to the QEW is built with curb and barrier wall and ready to open once the northside is clean up and open to allow southbound traffic to be shifted right. This will allow the building of the north guideway as well the southside. The April no left turn could be for the building of the guideway across the intersection that is part of the 15 intersections still to be done. No photos for this area.
March 27
More up on my site.
No change to King St Guideway. The north-west corner of Dundas is clear of hydro work but the north-east still in process with no one sight every time I been down there.
Track work is ready to be pour from Paisley to the first haft of the fire station/plaza driveway that will have an impact on the LRV's. With the large amount of left turns in and out of the plaza, it opens a high change of seeing accidents for that driveway regardless if signs are posted for no left turns.
A sub station is in place to the west of Hurontario on The Queensway next to the hole for the new hospital.
Starting April there will be no left turn northbound for the North Service Road area and saw no sign for southbound as I may have miss it well on the other side of the bus. The new westbound lane to the QEW is built with curb and barrier wall and ready to open once the northside is clean up and open to allow southbound traffic to be shifted right. This will allow the building of the north guideway as well the southside. The April no left turn could be for the building of the guideway across the intersection that is part of the 15 intersections still to be done. No photos for this area.
Dan416
Senior Member
They put up 3 of these white poles between Fairview and Central Parkway.
I assume this is part of the OCS / where the wires will get strung up. Took these yesterday but forgot to post until I was walking by again lol.
I assume this is part of the OCS / where the wires will get strung up. Took these yesterday but forgot to post until I was walking by again lol.
drum118
Superstar
Part 2
March 27
Still no work done on the east QEW bridge support that started sone months ago.
Odd they stop digging the south of Pinetree and did not bring it up to the intersection like Pinewood. There is a driveway between Pinetree and Pinewood to allow the small number of residents from a small cul-de-sac on the westside to make a left turn. Most likely not able to make an U-turn at Pinewood since the left turn southbound is on an angle.
At least 60% of the guideway between Pinewood and Mineola is ready to have the concrete base pour starting March 30 as all underground work is done with final backfilling taking place. It will be about mid April for the remaining section is ready for concrete. All the guideway curb for PC has been poured and the road paved beside it.
The guideway south of Mineola only needs a small amount of concrete poured for the centre curds and it will be 100% complete and waiting track work. The base of the station is poured as well
Part of the westside guideway is dug where it will move to the centre of the road with the base of the guideway poured except a section at Englewood that was ready for it in 2025. Based on how the road curb is poured south of the switching sides, the shifting of the southbound lane will start just south of the north end of the barrier wall with a section of the base is poured.
The northbound curb from Englewood to the north end of the plaza has been poured and road pave. As it stands, there will be three lanes with a single lane of traffic in both direction from the north of the road shifting to the south side of Englewood where the guideway leaves the road. The centre lane will be use for left turning only.
No change south of Englewood for the guideway and sidewalk since 2025
Crew working in the centre of Hurontario St for hydro work from the substation.
Saw no new work for the south entrance but the south end of the south entrance is trap and looks like brick work maybe taking place.
There were not fooling around with the guideway work north of Mineola since the end of February that any lost time due to weather has been made up or is off a few weeks at this time
The width of the Mary Fix Creek to the New spillway as well how deep it is below the base of it that any flooding at the south end is non existing in a 100 year flood.
Only enough room for three lanes for the plaza area
Where the southbound lane shift to the left
Station Platform ready to be built and track work to take place
Guideway ready for the base to be pour
Where the digging of the guideway stopping too short of Pinetree
March 27
Still no work done on the east QEW bridge support that started sone months ago.
Odd they stop digging the south of Pinetree and did not bring it up to the intersection like Pinewood. There is a driveway between Pinetree and Pinewood to allow the small number of residents from a small cul-de-sac on the westside to make a left turn. Most likely not able to make an U-turn at Pinewood since the left turn southbound is on an angle.
At least 60% of the guideway between Pinewood and Mineola is ready to have the concrete base pour starting March 30 as all underground work is done with final backfilling taking place. It will be about mid April for the remaining section is ready for concrete. All the guideway curb for PC has been poured and the road paved beside it.
The guideway south of Mineola only needs a small amount of concrete poured for the centre curds and it will be 100% complete and waiting track work. The base of the station is poured as well
Part of the westside guideway is dug where it will move to the centre of the road with the base of the guideway poured except a section at Englewood that was ready for it in 2025. Based on how the road curb is poured south of the switching sides, the shifting of the southbound lane will start just south of the north end of the barrier wall with a section of the base is poured.
The northbound curb from Englewood to the north end of the plaza has been poured and road pave. As it stands, there will be three lanes with a single lane of traffic in both direction from the north of the road shifting to the south side of Englewood where the guideway leaves the road. The centre lane will be use for left turning only.
No change south of Englewood for the guideway and sidewalk since 2025
Crew working in the centre of Hurontario St for hydro work from the substation.
Saw no new work for the south entrance but the south end of the south entrance is trap and looks like brick work maybe taking place.
There were not fooling around with the guideway work north of Mineola since the end of February that any lost time due to weather has been made up or is off a few weeks at this time
The width of the Mary Fix Creek to the New spillway as well how deep it is below the base of it that any flooding at the south end is non existing in a 100 year flood.
Only enough room for three lanes for the plaza area
Where the southbound lane shift to the left
Station Platform ready to be built and track work to take place
Guideway ready for the base to be pour
Where the digging of the guideway stopping too short of Pinetree
vic
Senior Member
More poles this morning. Looking south from Robert Speck.
Aplus23
Active Member
The stop spacing on this line looks like the perfect use for a surface LRT, speaking from a novice pov neway
afransen
Senior Member
I wonder what mitigations will be put in place to address the deficiencies of the Citidalis Spirit LRVs that will be used on Line 10. This line will open several years after the O-Train and Line 6 issues. Who wants to bet the performance will still be very poor when Line 10 opens (eventually)?
drum118
Superstar
Those words are copy of Brampton folks that have used them here and elsewhere
Brampton 2023-03-29
The 30% Preliminary Design and Draft EPR’s identified that both thesurface and the tunnel options are technically feasible and each comeswith its own distinct benefits and costs. The underground option issignificantly more costly ($2,804M) compared to the surface option($933M). However, the underground option also provides real travel timesavings for transit riders, pedestrians, cyclists, and motorists and allowsthe City to achieve its vision for Main St and Downtown Brampton whilelimiting risks for implementation and operation, compared to the surfaceoption
Start Date: September 2024
End Date: December 2027
The City of Brampton is starting the Downtown Brampton Streetscape work along Main Street (between Nelson Street and Wellington Street) and Queen Street (between Mill Street and Chapel Street).
During any EA studies, options and technology is looked looked at for a project like this with the TBM being part of it. Brampton rule out the TBM due to the extraction hole being in the centre of Main St which would mean the street is close south of Wellington for years as there isn't a location elsewhere where it could be place. there was a suggestion that the TBM could be removed sideway into the land on the west side being clear for development and the removable of the old creek structure, but would require a cut and cover of the road and sidewalk to do that.
Any cut and fill for the tunnel section north of the creek is out of question as it will cause the same mess as a TBM and more. This leaves mining as the only option for the tunnel section from the southside of the creek to the station.
The tunnel only starts just south of the creek where the portal will be to the surface and then on the surface to Steeles.
Service to the downtown is between 2031-35 depending getting design from 30% to 100% to go to tender or when ML goes out with an RFP for a P3 that will do the 100% design work as well build the line
In 2024, Brampton was calling for two lanes of traffic and bike lanes is opposite to what they were saying at the beginning of the EA and were not willing to loose two lanes for the LRT.
Any east-west line is outside my scoop with an BRT being the best option from my point of view.
The line will open in 2028.
drum118
Superstar
Part 1 of 3
March 29
Tracks have been poured in place for the Robert Speck Station and waiting topcoat pour to encase the tracks. Tracks still not finished from the station to Square one Dr.
The elevated area for the wye area has the base for the guideway that same as the rest of the guideways but not the same for the elevated sections.
March 29
Tracks have been poured in place for the Robert Speck Station and waiting topcoat pour to encase the tracks. Tracks still not finished from the station to Square one Dr.
The elevated area for the wye area has the base for the guideway that same as the rest of the guideways but not the same for the elevated sections.
Allandale25
Senior Member
When staff are outlining the cost difference you've cited above, it's for the entire project length. Steeles to Nelson. Not "From Steeles to Wellington with Wellington to Nelson being over $2 Billion" as you said earlier. That was my point and clarification for you. I'll move on.
Great to see the progress pictures.