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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Has anyone noticed the lack on consistency with train arrivals? I just tried to ride the train to Yonge, and they were suggesting 17, followed by 26 minute wait times for transit...I left (ran outside) after 5 minutes because I can't be late for work.
On another note...I've noticed the screen times are unreliable, and trains sometimes arrive early, or late and yes, mostly on time, but its more prevalent than on the Bloor or YUS line.
I figure this is something they'll smooth out, but increasingly I'm finding this transit line unreliable in off-peak hours. Hence why I asked earlier if there's any indicators that the powers that be will fast track the opening phases of this project.
 
Has anyone noticed the lack on consistency with train arrivals? I just tried to ride the train to Yonge, and they were suggesting 17, followed by 26 minute wait times for transit...I left (ran outside) after 5 minutes because I can't be late for work.
On another note...I've noticed the screen times are unreliable, and trains sometimes arrive early, or late and yes, mostly on time, but its more prevalent than on the Bloor or YUS line.
I figure this is something they'll smooth out, but increasingly I'm finding this transit line unreliable in off-peak hours. Hence why I asked earlier if there's any indicators that the powers that be will fast track the opening phases of this project.

Metrolinx ‘firewall’ blocking Finch LRT (and likely Eglinton LRT as well) location data from transit apps​

From https://www.torontotoday.ca/local/city-hall/metrolinx-firewall-blocking-finch-lrt-location-data-transit-apps-12025338

Locked out of its own data, the TTC admits Google Maps and popular transit apps are forced to rely on inaccurate scheduled times for the Finch West LRT (and Eglinton LRT as well).

See https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/finch-west-line-6-lrt.11783/post-2367639
 
Has anyone noticed the lack on consistency with train arrivals? I just tried to ride the train to Yonge, and they were suggesting 17, followed by 26 minute wait times for transit...I left (ran outside) after 5 minutes because I can't be late for work.
On another note...I've noticed the screen times are unreliable, and trains sometimes arrive early, or late and yes, mostly on time, but its more prevalent than on the Bloor or YUS line.
I figure this is something they'll smooth out, but increasingly I'm finding this transit line unreliable in off-peak hours. Hence why I asked earlier if there's any indicators that the powers that be will fast track the opening phases of this project.
They've never really been reliable anywhere. I have the same issues with the streetcar being "4 minutes away" and then 4 minutes later it's "3 minutes away."

But it's not even limited to the TTC, I had a grocery delivery from Metro yesterday and it said the driver was 5 minutes away on the tracker, but it showed his van was at Bathurst and Lake Shore. I'm a Queen and Parliament, so yeah, no way you are making that trip in 5 minutes ever, but especially at 7:00 p.m. on a Saturday night. Uber is the same. "Driver arriving in 1 minute" usually means 5 minutes.

I'm convinced there is some kind of systemic issue in the prediction tech that all these services use, which likely is not their own but sub-contracted to various software firms with really poor prediction algorithms, though the cynic in me says they all play with the time a bit to make sure you are early and not late. They want you to think you only have 1 minute when you indeed have 5 so that you are ready for them.
 
They've never really been reliable anywhere. I have the same issues with the streetcar being "4 minutes away" and then 4 minutes later it's "3 minutes away."

With streetcars it's a little more acceptable (cars turning in the way; a lineup delaying a dwell, etc.).

With the subway, I've always assumed weird time changes where when vehicles were taken out/put into service. I've sat there at St. Clair and watched the time regularly flip between 4-9 minutes for the next train. The 9 minutes ended up being the correct time.

But it's not even limited to the TTC, I had a grocery delivery from Metro yesterday and it said the driver was 5 minutes away on the tracker, but it showed his van was at Bathurst and Lake Shore. I'm a Queen and Parliament, so yeah, no way you are making that trip in 5 minutes ever, but especially at 7:00 p.m. on a Saturday night. Uber is the same. "Driver arriving in 1 minute" usually means 5 minutes.

I get delivery from both Metro and Voila. Voila is spot-on for hitting within the delivery window, and their more precise predictions (visible on the order information when delivery vehicles hit the road) have never been more than a few minutes off.

Metro on the other hand can be a sh!tshow. If they didn't have products I can only get from them, I probably wouldn't use them at all. Several times over the past five years they just haven't shown up for a delivery (at all), with zero notice. I have had to be the one to track down as to why, often calling an hour or more after their expected delivery. Their predictions are ridiculously bad, and they often fall outside the window on the times they do show up, otherwise I'd be calling 10 minutes after they fail to show.

I've been told the problem there lies with the individual Metro stores. They're the ones who deal with picking and deliveries, despite it being a centralized ordering system.

Metro used to be better though. When they first launched delivery they were absolutely awesome. They've become more and more reliant on partnerships with 3rd party delivery (Uber Eats, etc.) even if the customer isn't aware of it. A lot of the downtown core is specifically handled by the Metro Stockyards location. Metro completely ignored user settings for "my store" (now removed from the website) and ships from a handful of larger stores. And again, the problem lies with those stores. They own the delivery vehicles that break down (and their lousy maintenance). They're not super keen on having to deal with the level of delivery they've gotten since the pandemic.

After going up the chain with Metro's HQ, I was assured that they have a new system in the works that will be far more reliable. I'm assuming it'll be deliveries straight from their Etobicoke distribution centre, more along the lines of what Voila does.

Side note; join two different delivery services subscription plan as I have and compare prices. In doing so I can *always* find enough savings between the two to pay for the cost of both services. As a result I get better selection, which is acceptable, even with Metro's frequent cockups.

I'm convinced there is some kind of systemic issue in the prediction tech that all these services use, which likely is not their own but sub-contracted to various software firms with really poor prediction algorithms, though the cynic in me says they all play with the time a bit to make sure you are early and not late. They want you to think you only have 1 minute when you indeed have 5 so that you are ready for them.
I don't think it's completely intentional, I think the algorithms are just tuned to be optimistic. I'll liken it to Apple Maps versus Google Maps. Google will always show you a faster trip, but Apple's is almost always more reliable and correct.
 
Has anyone noticed the lack on consistency with train arrivals? I just tried to ride the train to Yonge, and they were suggesting 17, followed by 26 minute wait times for transit...I left (ran outside) after 5 minutes because I can't be late for work.
On another note...I've noticed the screen times are unreliable, and trains sometimes arrive early, or late and yes, mostly on time, but its more prevalent than on the Bloor or YUS line.
I figure this is something they'll smooth out, but increasingly I'm finding this transit line unreliable in off-peak hours. Hence why I asked earlier if there's any indicators that the powers that be will fast track the opening phases of this project.
From my experience the long waits are usually just an issue with the train tracking and one will arrive before the screen says. The entire line is like 50ish mins end to end, so a 17 min wait basically means there are no trains on a full third of the line's length.
 
Has anyone noticed the lack on consistency with train arrivals? I just tried to ride the train to Yonge, and they were suggesting 17, followed by 26 minute wait times for transit...I left (ran outside) after 5 minutes because I can't be late for work.
On another note...I've noticed the screen times are unreliable, and trains sometimes arrive early, or late and yes, mostly on time, but its more prevalent than on the Bloor or YUS line.
I figure this is something they'll smooth out, but increasingly I'm finding this transit line unreliable in off-peak hours. Hence why I asked earlier if there's any indicators that the powers that be will fast track the opening phases of this project.
They've never really been reliable anywhere. I have the same issues with the streetcar being "4 minutes away" and then 4 minutes later it's "3 minutes away."

But it's not even limited to the TTC, I had a grocery delivery from Metro yesterday and it said the driver was 5 minutes away on the tracker, but it showed his van was at Bathurst and Lake Shore. I'm a Queen and Parliament, so yeah, no way you are making that trip in 5 minutes ever, but especially at 7:00 p.m. on a Saturday night. Uber is the same. "Driver arriving in 1 minute" usually means 5 minutes.

I'm convinced there is some kind of systemic issue in the prediction tech that all these services use, which likely is not their own but sub-contracted to various software firms with really poor prediction algorithms, though the cynic in me says they all play with the time a bit to make sure you are early and not late. They want you to think you only have 1 minute when you indeed have 5 so that you are ready for them.
26 minute wait for the LRT? Yikes. That's a big time deal breaker.

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With the subway, I've always assumed weird time changes where when vehicles were taken out/put into service. I've sat there at St. Clair and watched the time regularly flip between 4-9 minutes for the next train. The 9 minutes ended up being the correct time.
Yeah the trackers are extremely imprecise, which is really annoying when you wanna not miss your bus/train, especially if you have to take change between routes. 26 min wait times is in the same category as GO, except that GO actually follows an exact schedule making it far easier to catch on time:
Actually, believe it or not it often has the opposite effect too. If I'm walking to a station, check transsee and see that the next train is arriving in 1 min, while the one behind it is in 8 mins, it creates the added stress of having to frantically run to the station while trying to pull out your presto card at the same time, then frantically running up/down the stairs. Alternatively, if you keep checking transsee while you're still several minutes away from the station, you'd likely have to decide to speedwalk/jog your way there to make it in time, which then leaves you sweating & uncomfortable after you get on. Same with having to make a run for it when changing lines, because far too often your train & your connecting train arrive at the exact same time. The horrible accuracy of transsee really doesn't help (you can refresh multiple times in a row and it always resets to 1:00, until it finally refreshes straight to 0:00, at which point you assume you won't make it, only to find out that the train actually arrives a good 30 seconds after transsee shows 0:00). At least with GO, if you know the train is scheduled to be at your stop at exactly 10:25, you can rest assured that that's exactly when it'll be there, and plan your trip to the station accordingly without the added stress.
 
Has anyone noticed the lack on consistency with train arrivals? I just tried to ride the train to Yonge, and they were suggesting 17, followed by 26 minute wait times for transit...I left (ran outside) after 5 minutes because I can't be late for work.
On another note...I've noticed the screen times are unreliable, and trains sometimes arrive early, or late and yes, mostly on time, but its more prevalent than on the Bloor or YUS line.
I figure this is something they'll smooth out, but increasingly I'm finding this transit line unreliable in off-peak hours. Hence why I asked earlier if there's any indicators that the powers that be will fast track the opening phases of this project.
What needs to be displayed is the departure time, not the arrival time. If it’s 1pm, I don’t care if the LRT is arriving at 1:10pm IF it’s going to sit in the station for 10 mins. I want to know when it’s departing so I can plan MY arrival at the station for 1:20pm. That’s much more useful info. When you’re planning to get on the VIA or GO Train, we don’t care about when the train arrived at your embarkation point, but when it’s departing.
 
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Yes, I have noticed how useless the arrival indicators are. With some trains arriving into the station when the time prediction was that there would be none, times that stretch out much longer, and trips that purposely wait an extended period in every station. I will post more thoughts on this in 5 minutes ;)
 
I don’t care if the LRT is arriving at 1:10pm IF it’s going to sit in the station for 10 mins. I want to know when it’s departing so I can plan MY arrival at the station for 1:20pm.
I don't think 10 mins is standard dwell time even for terminal stations (more like 5 mins), let alone non-terminal stations.
 
Has anyone noticed the lack on consistency with train arrivals? I just tried to ride the train to Yonge, and they were suggesting 17, followed by 26 minute wait times for transit...
The arrival time accuracy has certainly been noted by many. What time was it? There's some pretty scheduled long gaps first thing on the late-start Sunday mornings before 9:30 AM. Looking at westbound departure times from Cedarvale, the first train is at 8:13 AM. Then 21 minutes later at 8:54 and 23 minutes later at 9:17 AM, before regular 7.5 minute service starts. 17 and 26 only implies that the second train is 3 or 4 minutes behind schedule.

They've never really been reliable anywhere. I have the same issues with the streetcar being "4 minutes away" and then 4 minutes later it's "3 minutes away."
It normally seems pretty good to me. There's certainly quirks at different locations. If you are just past a terminal, it's poor at predicting when the vehicle will leave the terminal (no surprise there). Stuff can happen, I'm about 4 stops from a short-turn location on one side, and 7 stops from the terminal in the other. If a pair of streetcars has the first short-turned, then staying 4 minute away is the norm. As is if the car is sitting in the terminal waiting to leave.

I find looking at a map of the realtime vehicle locations, and paying attention of the one from the terminal is predicted to be ahead of schedule mitigates most of this.

I wheelchair boarding and disembarking could easily add 2 minutes to the travel time - and I find (on 506 at least) that such trips are only for a few stops, so it often happens twice. Occasionally (but not enough) you see a far-ahead of schedule streetcar with a big gap behind it being held somewhere.
 
I went to the station at about 9:20 ish in the morning. It's a long time to wait still, as the train that does comes gets fairly crowded by then.
I look forward to also seeing later service running on the line....I've consustently sern jam packed buses (34) whenever the service closes down at quarter to 11, which makes sense consideeing the frequencies of the 34 at present.
 
Metro on the other hand can be a sh!tshow. If they didn't have products I can only get from them, I probably wouldn't use them at all. Several times over the past five years they just haven't shown up for a delivery (at all), with zero notice. I have had to be the one to track down as to why, often calling an hour or more after their expected delivery. Their predictions are ridiculously bad, and they often fall outside the window on the times they do show up, otherwise I'd be calling 10 minutes after they fail to show.
It's funny you bring that up now as Metro just phoned me to cancel delivery for tonight as the store that sends the order (Stockyards) lost internet access this morning, so they could 't receive or process any orders today. They rebooked for tomorrow night, but we shall see.
 
Even though I think full grade separation and thereby high floor trains would've been better, I am starting to think that nothing would've precluded the same clownery from happening.

How sure are we that this sort of problem won't pop up on the Ontario Line's OCS? Have Canadians forgotten how to build railways?

Or did we never know how to do overhead electrification?
We are not sure. Besides the fact that everything from the rolling stock and civil eng firms are totally different and unrelated
 

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