Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)

[CapitalSeven]

I have been looking at that graph too for a few months. Of course I have absolutely no technical training and expertise, but it leads me to think that portions of 407 and 15 could be used between Peterborough and Scarborough with only modest modifications to put together a route with about a 3 km radius standard. That could yield speeds close to 250, which is likely enough for that segment, with fewer risks than sawing through farm country. It would be helpful to know what standards ALTO is actually looking at.

 

[urbanclient]

I have been looking at that graph too for a few months. Of course I have absolutely no technical training and expertise, but it leads me to think that portions of 407 and 15 could be used between Peterborough and Scarborough with only modest modifications to put together a route with about a 3 km radius standard. That could yield speeds close to 250, which is likely enough for that segment, with fewer risks than sawing through farm country. It would be helpful to know what standards ALTO is actually looking at.

I believe the number thrown around publicly is top speed of at least 300 km/h. Only going 250 near Peterborough would be jeopardizing travel time targets. Conservatively, near Peterborough should be 300 operating speed, with a design speed of 350. That would mean 4 km radiuses...

 

[CapitalSeven]

Although they are saying 7. Whether that's futureproofing or reducing wear I don't know. But the time difference between 250 and 300 over that distance is not huge, allowing for acceleration and deceleration. I think the critical matter for time is to run at full tilt between Ottawa and Peterborough.

 

[Urban Sky]

I have been looking at that graph too for a few months. Of course I have absolutely no technical training and expertise, but it leads me to think that portions of 407 and 15 could be used between Peterborough and Scarborough with only modest modifications to put together a route with about a 3 km radius standard. That could yield speeds close to 250, which is likely enough for that segment, with fewer risks than sawing through farm country. It would be helpful to know what standards ALTO is actually looking at.

Not sure we are looking at the same Highways 407 and 15 or how you could reach such conclusions after reading the blog post I was sharing or the points Paul was raising:

Hey, no biggie..... just rip out a couple hundred miles' worth of poured concrete dividing wall, relocate all the underground center drainage, and raise all the overpasses that don't offer enough clearance for OCS..... only the last 40 years' worth of investment in 401 infrastructure.

- Paul

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[crs1026]

I have been looking at that graph too for a few months. Of course I have absolutely no technical training and expertise, but it leads me to think that portions of 407 and 15 could be used between Peterborough and Scarborough with only modest modifications

The operative wording being "portions of"

The cost of linking those portions, and routing to avoid all the other portions, will be higher than just finding a totally new route that has no such constraints.

The wise comment made earlier - combined highway/rail corridors work great if designed as such from the beginning - is the ultimate truth.

Possibly there are places on the 7 corridor where improvements cn be co-planned with Alto, but this is likely a small proportion of overall route miles.

- Paul

 

[Allandale25]

In response to a reporter's question today, Ford said he supported using the 401 corridor.

 

[micheal_can]

‘I just couldn’t believe it’: Ontario man fears high‑speed rail could destroy his business

A hunting and fishing outfitter in Battersea, Ont. is worried Canada’s new high‑speed rail corridor could shut down his business. Gord Boulton also fears it could cut him off from much of the land he has lived on for 30 years.

www.ctvnews.ca

It is stories like this that are the problem with how ALTO is doing things. "It might go through here." "It might not go through here."

This is not how you build support for it. Whoever is in charge of public relations should be fired. They clearly do not know how to build good public relations.

 

[lrt's friend]

It is inevitable that there will be rural complaints when there are no benefits to offer. However, the needed ROW is going to be much narrower than a 400 series highway. Listen to the complaints. offer some mitigation, and move forward. We cannot make everybody totally happy.

 

[generalcanada]

‘I just couldn’t believe it’: Ontario man fears high‑speed rail could destroy his business

A hunting and fishing outfitter in Battersea, Ont. is worried Canada’s new high‑speed rail corridor could shut down his business. Gord Boulton also fears it could cut him off from much of the land he has lived on for 30 years.

www.ctvnews.ca

It is stories like this that are the problem with how ALTO is doing things. "It might go through here." "It might not go through here."

This is not how you build support for it. Whoever is in charge of public relations should be fired. They clearly do not know how to build good public relations.

FWIW this guy is in the southern corridor.
Their complaints will quiet down when the corridor is more specific.
These guys are just impatient, thats all

 

[generalcanada]

In response to a reporter's question today, Ford said he supported using the 401 corridor.

What is he going to use the notwithstanding clause to take the project over? LOL

 

[Allandale25]

In response to a reporter's question today, Ford said he supported using the 401 corridor.

Article and the full quote:

"Speaking with reporters in Brockville, Ont., on Monday, Ford was asked where he would like to see the rail line built.

“I agree 100 per cent, follow the 401 corridor,” Ford said.

“Don’t start taking farmers’ land and everything else out; just follow the 401 corridor, it makes sense. And maybe make a stop in Kingston, because it’s a little too weighted on the other side of the border. They have a few stops, but we need a couple more stops here in Ontario.”"

Premier wants high-speed rail built along Ontario’s Hwy. 401 corridor

The proposed high-speed rail line connecting Ottawa and Toronto should be built along the Highway 401 corridor, and “maybe make a stop in Kingston,” according to Premier Doug Ford.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[McGillicuddy]

If Doug Ford wants a high-speed train built to his own specifications, he can pay for the damned thing himself.

 

[PL1]

If Doug Ford wants a high-speed train built to his own specifications, he can pay for the damned thing himself.

He'll probably want it tunnelled the whole way, too

 

[TwoWheelPoli]

Article and the full quote:

"Speaking with reporters in Brockville, Ont., on Monday, Ford was asked where he would like to see the rail line built.

“I agree 100 per cent, follow the 401 corridor,” Ford said.

“Don’t start taking farmers’ land and everything else out; just follow the 401 corridor, it makes sense. And maybe make a stop in Kingston, because it’s a little too weighted on the other side of the border. They have a few stops, but we need a couple more stops here in Ontario.”"

Premier wants high-speed rail built along Ontario’s Hwy. 401 corridor

The proposed high-speed rail line connecting Ottawa and Toronto should be built along the Highway 401 corridor, and “maybe make a stop in Kingston,” according to Premier Doug Ford.

www.ctvnews.ca

Why do I have this suspicious feeling he's trying to tie this to his boneheaded 401 tunnel vanity project?

 

[guavadelic]

In response to a reporter's question today, Ford said he supported using the 401 corridor.

Dougie has finally clued in to the fact that a high speed rail project is being advanced in his province and decided to weigh in.