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I wonder what “Captain John” Letnik is thinking about this.
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I don't trust anything Toronto Ports Authority try to impose on this city. Despite their name, they don't have the best interests of the city at heart. Let Waterfront Toronto continue to develop our waterfront. I'd much rather see Yonge Street pier be Toronto's response to Chicago's Navy Pier or San Francisco's Pier 39. Waterfront activities, shopping and entertainment that attract crowds to the waterfront.
 
Other than the bridge (which I understand is being fixed anyway), and the distance to centre/ downtown, what are the main issues of the current arrangement for docking cruise ships that would prompt them to want to move here?
 
the big one is that they need to bus all their guests downtown.. and it's a lot more than a 10-minute bus ride for most of the day. Big cities are a lot better for cruise passengers if they can walk off the ship into the city, which they can't with the current location.

I believe the current location can only handle one boat at a time as well.
 
Why do they need busses? If the idea is to have tourists closer to the city centre, shouldn't they be encouraged to walk to visit the city's site? I get cruise ship passengers often expect busses, but aren't there other offerings that would be appealing? Those Viking cruises that are for the "thinking person" as the ads say come to mind...
 
Passengers with mobility issues. Passengers need ferrying to parts of the city that are not easy to walk to. Passengers taking a guided tours...

...I agree, there will be less need for the busses in this location, but that unlikely eliminates the need for them altogether, for good or bad.
 
Northern Light said:
Initial thoughts:

May be subject to a federal EA

Has navigation implications for other large vessels

Could alter sediment flows.

Is there sufficient capacity to move pedestrians to Queen's Quay with the current proposed promenade?
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I also wonder if this might intersect/conflict with the Billy Bishop expansion that Doug is touting?
 
dob467 said:
Why do they need busses? If the idea is to have tourists closer to the city centre, shouldn't they be encouraged to walk to visit the city's site? I get cruise ship passengers often expect busses, but aren't there other offerings that would be appealing? Those Viking cruises that are for the "thinking person" as the ads say come to mind...
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many cruises offer "excursions" and activities that aren't within 500 metres of the cruise ship terminal, and as others have said, cruises often are populated by an outsized population of people with mobility issues because they are very low-mobility friendly.

The terminal is going to need a driveway access pretty much regardless of use as they need loading, servicing, etc. access.

There is no reason a driveway down to the cruise ship pier couldn't work here - and hell, you could even fill in the Yonge St Slip a bit to make up for the lost park area if you are really picky about it.
 
Waterfront Toronto is already at 60% design for the Yonge Street slip (see this from Steve Munro: https://stevemunro.ca/wp-content/up..._welrt-yonge-slip_stage-3-detailed-design.pdf). I understand that the design review panel has since provided further refinements and comments on this draft design. It is a required “early works” project in order to move forward with the WELRT. This cruise ship proposal could possibly work with the new design for the Yonge Street slip, but bus access and services would have to be figured out (underground and below water level tunnel to the new pier??). However, it would be better for passengers to make their way to the proposed new bus layby at the foot of Yonge for bus access (many cruise ports require passengers to travel by foot/mobility device for a bit before getting to bus areas) and have any services delivered by boat (as is done at many cruise terminals, e.g. Vancouver, which has a mix of boat and truck service). However, the impact on water taxis and ferries would not be eliminated.

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Honestly...why not just fill in the Yonge Slip entirely? It feels like there's just too many competing needs and interests here for the current amount of space to do any of them properly (which means instead they'll all be done poorly).

The west side is always going to be lacklustre due to the Westin being right up against it. The north side is always going to be cramped due to the Westin vehicular access and QQE. The east side has plenty of potential, but this marine terminal changes that (especially if it needs vehicular access). The ferry terminal desperately needs expanding. Plus the foot of Yonge is a great place for a destination park.

Filling in the slip seems to open up solutions for all of that.
 
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Start Fox said:
Honestly...why not just fill in the Yonge Slip entirely? It feels like there's just too many competing needs and interests here for the current amount of space to do any of them properly (which means instead they'll all be done poorly).

The west side is always going to be lacklustre due to the Westin being right up against it. The north side is always going to be cramped due to the Westin vehicular access and QQE. The east side has plenty of potential, but this marine terminal changes that (especially if it needs vehicular access). The ferry terminal desperately needs expanding. Plus the foot of Yonge is a great place for a destination park.

Filling in the slip seems to open up solutions for all of that.
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Not a bad idea to be honest. If it was filled in then a new and expanded ferry terminal could be built at the new shoreline.
 
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