Toronto Yonge Street Marine Terminal | ?m | ?s | TPA
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dougtoronto
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What are the odds this could be combined with the Jack Layton terminal into one facility? I like the idea of building out into the lake despite the many considerations this may come with. I also wonder how much do we really need two boat terminals a block away from each other.
Northern Light
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Not high.
1) As proposed, this facility is on the east side of the slip, while the ferry operations are on the west side.
2) Shifting the facility to the Ferry docks would require closing them to build the new extended pier system, but also the ferries are means to be loaded off the ends of the boats, not alongside. The pier is set up for side-loading operations.
3) For reasons above, the new pier is not set up to service ferry operations.
4) Ferry movements in peak-summer are very frequent, where cruise ships would generally be docked for at least a full day, if not two. The differing needs, of the different vessel types aren't that easy to reconcile.
Could it be done? Yes, in theory. But it would not look like what's proposed now, and would a very large new facility at considerable cost.
UtakataNoAnnex
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...so currently the site for this is a surface parking lot?
ProjectEnd
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It's a lake...
Northern Light
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This is an entirely new pier extending outward from said parking lot.
This doesn't show as being situated in any way on the private development site.
The edge of the site is supposed to be waterfront promenade, and this may impact that design for same.
cogito ergo
Active Member
In my humble opinion the pier extension should be slanted towards the west. It would offer better views in & out from the cruisers.. elongate outside side of pier to accommodate longer ships, hug & protect existing ferry terminal.. etc..
More importantly, this configuration could also allow for creating (& locating on the axis of Yonge St.) some sort of super duper tall iconic visual terminus of the "longest street in the world"..
(see marked yellow circle below) no ferris wheel needed!!!
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More importantly, this configuration could also allow for creating (& locating on the axis of Yonge St.) some sort of super duper tall iconic visual terminus of the "longest street in the world"..
(see marked yellow circle below) no ferris wheel needed!!!
)Northern Light
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In my humble opinion the pier extension should be slanted towards the west. It would offer better views in & out from the cruisers.. elongate outside side of pier to accommodate longer ships, hug & protect existing ferry terminal.. etc..
More importantly, this configuration could also allow for creating (& locating on the axis of Yonge St.) some sort of super duper tall iconic visual terminus of the "longest street in the world"..
(see marked yellow circle below) no ferris wheel needed!!!
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That would definitely obstruct the Ward's Island Ferry and would come awful close to doing the same for Centre Island.
cogito ergo
Active Member
are you sure about .."definitely obstruct"????
hers is a little more context..
hers is a little more context..
mferna
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Read our article on this development here.
UtakataNoAnnex
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Red October
Senior Member
Here in Auckland the cruise ships and ferry terminals being close together is actually an enormous pain in the ass, to the point where they're moving cruise ships further away from the ferries.
Currently cruise ships dock at the two piers labelled 'C' to the left, with the ferry terminal being 'F'. As it stands whenever there's a cruise ship in (admittedly generally bigger than the type Toronto would be getting) it really makes it difficult for ferries to manoeuvre, and when the cruise ships are arriving and leaving it causes them to basically shut down altogether. Since these ferries are actually used for commuting it's enormously disruptive.
The current plan is to extend the wharf at 'C' to the right and have the biggest cruise ships dock there instead, with the left two 'C' piers being left for smaller boutique cruise ships.
Basically even the current Toronto proposal will be pretty disruptive for ferry operations and moving them even closer would just make it worse.
bgobgo
Active Member
If this proposal includes buses having access to the pier, I’m dead set against it. The east side of the slip is supposed to be a park / pedestrian area. Having vehicle access that area will ruin the vision of the park and lakeside promenade.
In addition, having huge boats blocking the view plane down Yonge Street seems ill advised. We should not add more obstructions between the city and the water, especially at the foot of Yonge Street.
In addition, having huge boats blocking the view plane down Yonge Street seems ill advised. We should not add more obstructions between the city and the water, especially at the foot of Yonge Street.
mrxbombastic
Active Member
I'm by no means a marine engineer or sailor. But surely this can be consolidated in some fashion?
I cannot imagine that Toronto will in our lifetimes be such a magnet for cruises that their traffic could not be consolidated in a unified terminal. Can we not have Cruise berths in one side of the pier and ferry births in the other side to allow for discrete travel paths? Can ferries not be slightly rerouted.to avoid travel paths of the cruises? The Harbour is a bit of a free for all at the best of times with kayakers, private boats ferries, etc.
I can understand vehicle access along the Westin, as is currently proposed for WELRT, but additional vehicle access cutting down to the water edge on the east side is a complete non starter. It would make the foot of Yonge Street a high traffic vehicle intersection that completely defies the very plan the City, Province, Feds, and Port Toronto are all advancing via Waterfront Toronto.
rdaner
Senior Member
Glad to see this but I will say that there are already signs of rapidly increases in the number of ships so can this be expanded?