I still find it hard to believe that simply adjusting the wheels to a different gauge or changing the length/width of the vehicle would necessarily add that many years to its design process.
Every change made to a vehicle design has knock on effects. Changing the gauge was easy in the high floors days, because the trucks weren't enveloped in the carbody. Redesigning the truck means you now have to account for all of its components and make sure nothing is hitting anything else.
Length and width affect a vehicle's weight, therefore its ability to climb hills, its stability, and its ability to negotiate curves. These are all things that must be designed and then verified, under all conditions and all types of loads, before being committed to.
If it's supposed to connect to L2, I'd rather it be an L2 extension instead.
Why?????
You subways in the suburbs people seem to think that money grows on trees, AND that passengers' time is completely worthless. Connecting from Kipling to Brampton Gateway would be a VERY long extension, which means it would cost a pants-shitting amount to build, and would also make the journey take an insanely long time (to say nothing of forcing a linear transfer somewhere along Hurontario for those coming from Port Credit). An LRT + a connection to a frequent, fast GO train service would deliver far more value for money.
T1s: A LOT more than 372 when you include the R110As, the C301s in Taipei, the trams in Seattle (or somewhere idk), and even some goddamn trolleybuses somewhere too!
Why would I include any of these, when none of them are T1s?
TRs: Also a lot more than 480, considering they're a subset of Movia widely used around the world, including Stockholm (C20/C30) & Bucharest.
And you realize that the Movia is a customizable platform and that a Movia trainset used in one city might not have anything at all in common with a Movia in another city?
And also I call bs on them being any more of a "maintenance nightmare" than the ALRVs, SRT, and NG hybrids, all of which lasted way beyond their design life and were even preserved in the end
You seem to have trouble grasping the difference between preservation and regular service. The ALRVs that were preserved have run almost no distance at all, especially the one at HCRR, precisely because they were much harder to keep going than the CLRVs. Neither of the preserved samples of SRT will EVER run again either, they are merely to be static exhibits going forward.
You also seem to forget that the ALRVs were scheduled to be replaced by 2014, same year as the H6s were turfed off. The fact that they weren't was because BBD was unable to deliver the new streetcars on time, it doesn't prove the ALRVs weren't troublesome lemons. The same goes for the SRT, because Rob Ford and company started throwing temper tantrums about the Scarborough subway, the SRT was forced to last a lot longer than it was supposed to.
Now guess what would have happened if there had been no funding to replace the H6s?
(if the NGs aren't I'll eat my hat).
Hope you're not attached to that hat.
Just because the H6s had a lower MDBF doesn't mean they broke down multiple times every single day, or even once a day.
No one said that they did, but I guess it's a lot easier to win an argument when you make up a nonsense argument instead of engaging with what your opponent is actually saying.
Yes it can, because the same thing happened to the H2s and several H4s, which were one of the most reliable cars, for no reason whatsoever other than to replace them early together with the M1/H1s.
The oldest would be pushing 25, and the youngest would retire a few years later anyway, when they too would be the same age. And since they did that to the H2/4s for no reason other than to replace everything at once, it's absolutely not outlandish to suggest doing the same with the TRs, still much more sensible than giving them a goddamn life extension.
Alstom's page also cites the option for an additional 150 trains "as needed" which can be used for that, and was also
mentioned as an option in the RFP.
"Someone did something wasteful 30 years ago" is a pretty inane argument for repeating it again. Any other mistakes of the past you would like to repeat?
Replacing functional rolling stock well before its best before date is not "sensible", it's idiotic.
Did they enter service in 1991/1992, then?
No, they were put into service in early 1990 and withdrawn in 2012.
The fact that you're advocating for T1 replicas but not H5 replicas says it all.
And then you say "there's no conspiracy against the Hawkers" when you saying stuff like this also contributes to said conspiracy being true.
You know, for someone who, at the drop of a hat, is able to quote a grievance that was written on the CPTDB 20 years ago, you sure seem to have forgotten quickly that the discussion is about T1s and TRs. In fact, you yourself said that it was a "reality check" to the people who think the T1 is still a state of the art vehicle. So why the hell would I mention H5s?
I'll give you a little tip: when you stop deciding what people feel about a given topic on their behalf, life gets a lot easier. You might find this shocking, but the H5s are actually my favourite subway cars. You wouldn't know this, since I don't subscribe to your inane conspiracy theory, but there it is.
There is
NO conspiracy against Hawkers. Never was, never will be. What you THINK is a conspiracy against the Hawkers is actually a symptom of the North American continent's GENERAL indifference to history. Subway cars don't get saved around here because most of your countrymen
don't care about history. Consider how many museums there are in Toronto vs. the average European metropolis, or how many historic sites exist out in the countryside, or how many UNESCO world heritage sites exist in Europe vs. Canada.
en.wikipedia.org
You really think this is just about one specific subset of the subway fleet? We have almost no historical vehicles here. And before you start,
NO, the fact that some random farmer in Brattleboro owns some type of bus doesn't mean that a member of the general public would have access to it ever. And even if the vehicle is in a publicly owned collection, that's no guarantee of ever getting to see it, even if spending thousands of dollars on a trip abroad just to see one vehicle wasn't patently ridiculous. I've been to New York six times in the past 16 years, I've never had a chance to see their historical Orion V. And that's before we get into all the other bus types that no one, period, has ever bothered to save, like the Classic Artic, or the D30LF, or the D35, or the D60, or the D60LF, or the Orion IV.
And if that doesn't convince you, have you ever looked at a before and after photo of a random street in Toronto? We've torn down THOUSANDS of ornate pre-WWII buildings and replaced them with ugly, bloodless cubes, because we are indifferent to our heritage and obsessed with meaningless progress for progress' sake. And before you start,
NO, how you personally feel about that architecture is
NOT the point I'm making here, and your dislike of it puts you firmly in the minority. And
NO, just because you're in the minority when it comes to a point of view doesn't mean the entire world is out to get you.
