Metro Toronto Convention Centre Revitalization | Province of Ontario

[ComptoirGeneral]

From my observation, this really feels like the only part of the lake which could be infilled to create a large enough block for development without creating a literal new island.

Everywhere else would either be too far away from the core or wouldn't fit into the area

 

[DSCToronto]

I rather suspect a federal Environmental Assessment would be required for any new substantial landfill in Lake Ontario. I hope it's denied for a fever dream/convention center

It certainly would need Federal permission.

 

[christiesplits]

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From my observation, this really feels like the only part of the lake which could be infilled to create a large enough block for development without creating a literal new island.

Everywhere else would either be too far away from the core or wouldn't fit into the area

Echoing my earlier post, Ford will have to be careful, because a large cavernous building in that location could interfere with the YTZ flight paths. After all, we know Ford wants YTZ expansion.

 

[Northern Light]

Of course, we COULD fill in the whole Lake but......

I know you don't mean that seriously.......

but just in case anyone didn't know.......... no we couldn't. LOL

First, it would require 1.64 Trillion Cubic Meters of fill, give or take a few.

That's roughly 1.3 billion of these:

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Which are 1,250kg bags of fill that are 3ft by 3ft by 3 ft 6.

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Then there's the no so small matter of the water displacement. Aside from massive flooding in lower lying areas of the City (and other Cities along Lake Ontario, because the Lake is the lowest in elevation of the Great Lakes, the largest displacement would be downstream. It would swell the St.Lawrence beyond imagination and put much of Montreal and low lying parts of Quebec City under water.

We're talking enough volume to actually (slightly) raise global sea levels.

 

[rbt]

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From my observation, this really feels like the only part of the lake which could be infilled to create a large enough block for development without creating a literal new island.

Everywhere else would either be too far away from the core or wouldn't fit into the area

The most viable lake infill to me seems like the westward extension of Ontario Place. This area is shallow (13 to 20m) and has already been manipulated for the Pan Am games.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

For reference purposes only...

Grenadier Pond is actually a bay of Lake Ontario. Sand and other deposits from the Scarborough Bluffs that not only created the Toronto Islands, they created the sandbar that cut off what would have been Grenadier Bay to form Grenadier Pond.


On Christmas Eve of 1975 the laker George M. Carl ran aground off Sunnyside beach. It missed the East Gap entrance to Toronto harbour by almost two miles and there were suggestions that the crew had started their celebrations a bit early! It took four days to pull her off

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[UtakataNoAnnex]

I rather suspect a federal Environmental Assessment would be required for any new substantial landfill in Lake Ontario. I hope it's denied for a fever dream/convention center

Well...that's an easy fix. Doug runs for CCP, ousts PP, wins the election and Bob's his uncle with this... >.<

 

[Civdis]

My preference would be a rebuild on the existing MTCC site over the rail corridor.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

My preference would be a rebuild on the existing MTCC site over the rail corridor.

They can build condos and/or hotels over the convention centre. Can be over the rail corridor, at Exhibition Place, or Lake Ontario. It's getting to the Centre that makes using Lake Ontario less of a possibility. Unless they decide to extend the Ontario Line west over Lake Ontario to get to Mimico, going through the convention centre, which mean $$$$.

 

[Mercenary]

Doug Ford has become the Robert Moses of Toronto

 

[TossYourJacket]

I highly doubt Ford has looked at a map of how deep the lake is wherever he's proposing this island.

Also, this could be a preemptive backup plan for if/when the Therme spa fails. Just build a convention centre instead!

 

[Amare]

Also, this could be a preemptive backup plan for if/when the Therme spa fails. Just build a convention centre instead!

I think you're giving him way too much credit,

I dont think he has the foresight to think in a coherent fashion, let alone think that far in advance in ways that mitigate his screwups (which he has a whole books worth of).

 

[milkycontent]

Just a little thought experiment:

1) Build a new state of the art soccer stadium at East Harbour. BC Place scale. No more embarrassing temporary stands for major tournaments. Could also host mega concerts like O2/Wembley to replace the need for Rogers Stadium at Downsview. Could spur development of East Harbour as well as adjacent McCleary district.

2) Demolish existing BMO Field to provide more space for redevelopment of supersized Enercare Centre. Meets goal of expanded convention space while leaving room for CNE and other Exhibition Place uses (Coca-Cola Coliseum, Horse Palace, renewed Food Building, QET, etc). Maybe some more hotels, restaurants, etc pop up in west Liberty Village.

3) Extend Ontario Line to Dundas West/Bloor TTC/GO/UPX station to streamline the connection to Pearson.

4) Redevelop MTCC with a mix of AAA Office, Hotels, entertainment and arts uses (new movie theatres to complement TIFF? 70mm IMAX?), smaller event spaces, restaurants, shopping, etc decked over the tracks to take advantage of proximity to Rogers Centre and CN Tower.

Obviously its a pipe dream and maybe wasting a lot of embedded carbon. But no lake fill. Win-win-win?

 

[PL1]

Just a little thought experiment:

1) Build a new state of the art soccer stadium at East Harbour. BC Place scale. No more embarrassing temporary stands for major tournaments. Could also host mega concerts like O2/Wembley to replace the need for Rogers Stadium at Downsview. Could spur development of East Harbour as well as adjacent McCleary district.

2) Demolish existing BMO Field to provide more space for redevelopment of supersized Enercare Centre. Meets goal of expanded convention space while leaving room for CNE and other Exhibition Place uses (Coca-Cola Coliseum, Horse Palace, renewed Food Building, QET, etc). Maybe some more hotels, restaurants, etc pop up in west Liberty Village.

3) Extend Ontario Line to Dundas West/Bloor TTC/GO/UPX station to streamline the connection to Pearson.

4) Redevelop MTCC with a mix of AAA Office, Hotels, entertainment and arts uses (new movie theatres to complement TIFF? 70mm IMAX?), smaller event spaces, restaurants, shopping, etc decked over the tracks to take advantage of proximity to Rogers Centre and CN Tower.

Obviously its a pipe dream and maybe wasting a lot of embedded carbon. But no lake fill. Win-win-win?

Who is going to build this new stadium? Skydome was built for (iirc) $400MM 1989 dollars by the province, sold to Rogers for 1/10 its cost, and now is worth billions. The public should should not be in the stadium building business. And yes, I know BMO Field was built (at least in part, I don't recall the details) by the city

 

[Red October]

Doug Ford has become the Robert Moses of Toronto

More like the Mohammed bin Salman of Toronto.