President Donald Trump's United States of America

[Full Metal Junkie]

my desire is for a just society.

...says someone who would like to see Ayatollah Khamenei alive and well and in charge of Iran today...
Does your definition of "just society" involve justice for people who committed a massacre of 30K+ civilians 2 months ago?
I mean, two people are murdered by ICE in Minnesota and you lose your mind with outrage, demanding justice.
30K protesters are gunned down in Iran - silence. Wounded survivors are hunted down and executed by a bullet to the brain while receiving treatment in the Iranian hospitals? - silence.
And when people who committed all those atrocities are finally paying for what they've done - now that's when the outrage starts.
The hypocrisy is unreal.

 

[narduch]

...says someone who would like to see Ayatollah Khamenei alive and well and in charge of Iran today...
Does your definition of "just society" involve justice for people who committed a massacre of 30K+ civilians 2 months ago?
I mean, two people are murdered by ICE in Minnesota and you lose your mind with outrage, demanding justice.
30K protesters are gunned down in Iran - silence. Wounded survivors are hunted down and executed by a bullet to the brain while receiving treatment in the Iranian hospitals? - silence.
And when people who committed all those atrocities are finally paying for what they've done - now that's when the outrage starts.
The hypocrisy is unreal.

Whatever the USA and Israel are doing has zero to do about justice. You are fooling yourself if you believe that.

And quite frankly the USA and Israel are the even bigger fascists. But you seem to be cheering them on. Now that is some real hypocrisy

 

[Admiral Beez]

I believe that Russia and China wanted things to get this bad, as a distracting tactic. And that tactic includes Iran and Oct. 7.

If I was China I'd be invading Taiwan in 2026.

 

[kEiThZ]

American troops have already died and there is speculation they are lying about the amount

Let's see the brain rot source where they are saying the US is lying about casualties.

Just because this is the MO for Russia, doesn't hold true for the US. Name a previous conflict where the US flat out lied about their total casualty count. There may be wordsmithing about cause of death or the area where they were killed. But I have never seen the US just flat out lie about the numbers. Not in the least because that's kind of hard to do in a democracy where other government departments (like say Veteran's Affairs) have to report who they are servicing.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

If I was China I'd be invading Taiwan in 2026.

Losing their main oil suppliers and political allies in Venezuela and Iran and seeing that US is not afraid to get their hands dirty may just dissuade China from attacking Taiwan in 2027-28 window they are aiming for. Also, if they invade Taiwan, it is going to have to be in the spring time (the seas around Taiwan are too choppy for an amphibious assault for the remainder of the year). So if they weren't prepared to invade Taiwan this year, there's little chance then can pull it off on such a short notice this year.

 

[kEiThZ]

If I was China I'd be invading Taiwan in 2026.

Well. 2027 has been the goal to be ready. Heck, we've had open letters from our own leadership to be ready for a contingency like that.

I have doubts. Invading Taiwan is like an order of magnitude harder than the Taiwan landing. But I wonder if it's getting more tempting watching the US blow their missile stockpile in Iran. On the other hand, this war might be massively threatening to China's oil supply and economic growth. Piling on with Taiwan might not help.

Ultimately if you are China and you actually believe the US is in decline, just wait it out.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

Let's see the brain rot source where they are saying the US is lying about casualties.
Just because this is the MO for Russia, doesn't hold true for the US.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it's the Russian bot accounts on Xitter and BS that are spreading this "speculation". And the pepega crowds who would love to see Trump fail for the sake of seeing Trump failing will eat up the slopaganda. Such is the nature of the information warfare age we live in.

 

[kEiThZ]

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it's the Russian bot accounts on Xitter and BS that are spreading this "speculation". And the pepega crowds who would love to see Trump fail for the sake of seeing Trump failing will eat up the slopaganda. Such is the nature of the information warfare age we live in.

It also doesn't make logical sense. The US and Israelis didn't lose a single pilot the last time. Iranian defences are largely neutered. So the casualties are all at the bases and cities getting hit in retaliation. And to be fair the Americans are doing worse than expected on that front. But I don't get where people get the idea that they are outright lying about casualties. Kinda hard to cover up a hole in the ground or an $80M fighter jet + $10M pilot missing in the inventory. This kinda dogshit conspiracy only ever comes from people who have never spent a day in uniform.

And I suspect a lot of it is cope from channels who really want American casualties to be higher. There's a long circle jerk of claiming that American capabilities aren't actually that substantial and that they'll fail when they meet the latest Chinese or Russian Wunderwaffen. When it turns out not to be true? "They must be lying."

 

[Admiral Beez]

Ultimately if you are China and you actually believe the US is in decline, just wait it out.

IDK. The US has no formal security guarantee for Taiwan, and Trump is seemingly always happy to bargain away his formal and informal allies when chatting with dictators. The last Mutual Defense Treaty with Taiwan lapsed in 1979 when the U.S. switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. There is the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA) of 1979, which requires the U.S. to provide Taiwan with defensive arms, and states the U.S. will maintain the capacity to resist force or coercion against Taiwan, including the phrasing that any non-peaceful effort to determine Taiwan’s future is a “grave concern” to the U.S. That's it, nothing legally obligates the U.S. to fight for Taiwan. As for China, the timing is right, as the US public and Congress may well be tired of Trump's foreign adventures, especially if Iran can delete further US troops and allude to another quagmire. But 2027, post Mid-Terms might be better.

 

[kEiThZ]

...says someone who would like to see Ayatollah Khamenei alive and well and in charge of Iran today...
Does your definition of "just society" involve justice for people who committed a massacre of 30K+ civilians 2 months ago?
I mean, two people are murdered by ICE in Minnesota and you lose your mind with outrage, demanding justice.
30K protesters are gunned down in Iran - silence. Wounded survivors are hunted down and executed by a bullet to the brain while receiving treatment in the Iranian hospitals? - silence.
And when people who committed all those atrocities are finally paying for what they've done - now that's when the outrage starts.
The hypocrisy is unreal.

I will always maintain that these people hate Israel so much that dead Iranians, Syrians, Lebanese, Yemenites and Palestinians (via Triple H proxies) are all acceptable losses, even for a small amount of Israelis killed in return.

Ukraine and Gaza have about the same number of civilians estimated to be killed. Ukraine has probably an order of magnitude military killed. Iran in a single month is probably verging on a quarter to half of total deaths in Gaza at the hands of the regime. How many deaths did Hezbollah bring to Lebanon and Syria? You can even see how the current Syrian President is refusing to support Iran. Lebanon is a partially failed state thanks to Hezbollah where their military doesn't have a monopoly on armed force because Hezbollah gets to start wars with Israel whenever they want. They Houthis have gone from wrecking Yemen to basically holding global trade hostage. For what?

Trump and co are mostly incompetent and I am not sure how this will turn out. Heck, given Trump's attention span, I mostly expect him to abandon this shortly.

But I am sure as hell not going to cry for this regime getting a solid beat down for how much pain and suffering they have caused to this region.

 

[kEiThZ]

IDK. The US has no formal security guarantee for Taiwan, and Trump is seemingly always happy to bargain away his formal and informal allies when chatting with dictators. The last Mutual Defense Treaty with Taiwan lapsed in 1979 when the U.S. switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. There is the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA) of 1979, which requires the U.S. to provide Taiwan with defensive arms, and states the U.S. will maintain the capacity to resist force or coercion against Taiwan, including the phrasing that any non-peaceful effort to determine Taiwan’s future is a “grave concern” to the U.S. That's it, nothing legally obligates the U.S. to fight for Taiwan. As for China, the timing is right, as the US public and Congress may well be tired of Trump's foreign adventures, especially if Iran can delete further US troops and allude to another quagmire. But 2027, post Mid-Terms might be better.

I mostly expect Trump to abandon Taiwan if it came to it. And for some easy bribe to his kids or something like that.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

I will always maintain that these people hate Israel so much that dead Iranians, Syrians, Lebanese, Yemenites and Palestinians (via Triple H proxies) are all acceptable losses, even for a small amount of Israelis killed in return.

I share the majority of your sentiment except I don't think its the hate for Israel or the Jewish people that drives such hypocritical world views in this crowd. The genocide that Bibi and his government have committed in Gaza is truly horrifying, but I don't think the pro-Palestine leftist crowd necessarily wishes death to Israel and the Jewish people. At least, not the majority of them.

I think it's the information bubble they find themselves in that's the problem. In their "I support the current thing" information space, Iranian people were never bestowed the honor of being the current thing they support. You know, Ayatollahs are against Israel, so they're not going to care about the people who want to overthrow Ayatollahs. And when those people die in tens of thousands? Meh, they're not the current thing that is worthy of supporting, because we have dead anti-ICE protesters that are more deserving of being the current thing we support.

And as far as Ukraine goes, it very much enjoyed the generous support of "I support the current thing" crowd for the first year of the full scale Russian-Ukrainian war. But Ukraine stopped winning, the crowd got bored, they found another more current thing to support.

And the walls of their information bubble are so thick, I doubt they even heard of the El Fasher massacre that saw more people slaughtered in a week than the entire Gaza genocide saw in two years. Unfortunately, dead Sudanese also don't make the list of the current things worth supporting.

 

[kEiThZ]

I think it's mostly just rank anti-Americanism. With Israel along for the ride That's why there's zero thought to given other nationalities that are oppressed or killed outside of victims of American or Israeli violence. And if you oppose the US or Israel? Killing and oppression is actually excusable.

It kinda sucks to be someone who genuinely believes in some progressive values. Because it would be nice to talk about better healthcare, more housing, etc. But then you have people whose most important principle is destroying the US. And they are willing to sacrifice anybody else for that cause.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

It kinda sucks to be someone who genuinely believes in some progressive values. Because it would be nice to talk about better healthcare, more housing, etc. But then you have people whose most important principle is destroying the US.

I know exactly what you mean. I would love to see progressive policies being implemented in Canada and the US but I can't stand some of the fellow supporters of these policies for their mindless repeating of narratives rather than thoughtful discussion.

 

[guavadelic]

I feel like this is Trumps Ukraine where he thought it would be a quick in/out only to be stuck there for a few years.

I know it won't lead to the 25th amendment but if troops start dying and this war drags on I can see the House/Senate taking action.

Minimal chance that the Americans stay in the conflict more than a month or two. They don't have the appetite for the cost it'll take and Trump doesn't seem all that invested in regime change. It's becoming clear they didn't think this all the way thru.
They'll go back and accept the concessions the Iranians were already agreeing to during the recent negotiations and call it a win.
The Israeli-Iranian aspect to the war could continue if the Americans don't pressure the Israelis to end it.