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Counterpoint: not knowing exactly how many seconds until green turns yellow is likely to make drivers more reckless, and make them "gun it" more aggressively when they see the flashing hand without the timer, knowing that green could turn yellow at any moment. With the timer, they're more likely to be able to make the right decision to either "gun it" gently & accelerate slightly, or slow down gradually & stop.
There are also intersections that have flashing hands and even pedestrian countdowns, but if the opposing signal isn't actuated by a detector reverts to walk signal. As a driver I have sometimes slowed expecting a yellow and been surprised by this.
 
There are also intersections that have flashing hands and even pedestrian countdowns, but if the opposing signal isn't actuated by a detector reverts to walk signal. As a driver I have sometimes slowed expecting a yellow and been surprised by this.
That's always a welcome surprise & a treat though. And if that happens, it's not a matter of whether or not there's a countdown.
 
I agree that the "immediate countdown" pedestrian lights are ridiculous, but I'm used to them.

As for it being illegal to start crossing if the red hand is flashing, I find I'm usually not able to start crossing immediately anyway, either because there is a crowd of people waiting ot cross and we can't all start at once, or none of us can start because there is some minor gridlock.

What does bug me, however, is that at all intersections I use regularly, the lights cycle automatically, but in other neighbourhoods there are some that stay red unless someone pushed the crossing button. Expect to hear cursing from people waiting to cross, and didn't realize it's one of those. If you only realize a moment after the traffic light turns green but the pedestrial light sits there at red, the button may not work and you have to wait another cycle.

Similarly, buttons work differently at different intersections. Some buttons have to be pushed to get the crossing signal when the traffic signal changes, some have to be pushed to force the traffic cycle to start because the intersection stays green in one direction until either someone pushes a button, or detectors determine a car is waiting to cross or turn left, and some say push for audible signal only. Recently I had a woman yell at me because I was waiting to cross, and had not pushed the button. I pointed out the sign that said push for audible signal only, and she kept yelling and insisted those signs don't mean anything, and not pushing the button was delaying the signal change. I was partly annoyed, but also partly sympathetic, because it's understandable that people are confused when crossing buttons can do any one of three different things.

What we need is consistency. Every intersection's crossing button should do the same thing. We shouldn't have to read a paragraph on s sign to find out what the button does.
 
What does bug me, however, is that at all intersections I use regularly, the lights cycle automatically, but in other neighbourhoods there are some that stay red unless someone pushed the crossing button. Expect to hear cursing from people waiting to cross, and didn't realize it's one of those. If you only realize a moment after the traffic light turns green but the pedestrial light sits there at red, the button may not work and you have to wait another cycle.

Similarly, buttons work differently at different intersections. Some buttons have to be pushed to get the crossing signal when the traffic signal changes, some have to be pushed to force the traffic cycle to start because the intersection stays green in one direction until either someone pushes a button, or detectors determine a car is waiting to cross or turn left, and some say push for audible signal only. Recently I had a woman yell at me because I was waiting to cross, and had not pushed the button. I pointed out the sign that said push for audible signal only, and she kept yelling and insisted those signs don't mean anything, and not pushing the button was delaying the signal change. I was partly annoyed, but also partly sympathetic, because it's understandable that people are confused when crossing buttons can do any one of three different things.

What we need is consistency. Every intersection's crossing button should do the same thing. We shouldn't have to read a paragraph on s sign to find out what the button does.
If only there was a clear big sign next to the button to tell you when you don't need to press it.
 
If only there was a clear big sign next to the button to tell you when you don't need to press it.

A better solution would be a different style and/or colour of button and its box to differentiate the function.

The opposing countdown display is useful to pedestrians to know that the button they have pressed is actually working. Another reason why countdowns are useful.

We are getting off topic for Eglinton, but I agree that there are more options in the traffic engineer's handbook than are in the user's mental repertoire. There is often good thinking behind the design, but if the function isn't obvious to the user, it's not a good design.

- Paul
 
1) Firstly I noticed quite a few people push the door button to get off even though they don't have to, even I did it a couple of times. On top of that on the trip home the operator I had would close the doors after letting people off if we were at a stop light at the surface stops but keep them unlocked so people could let themselves on, and some did. So I don't buy whatever excuse the TTC has for not just using the door buttons on the LRT's and Streetcars. We;ve been conditioned for decades to push the yellow bars to exit the back of the bus so getting people to push the button to let themselves on or off when its enabled isn't a stretch. Hell I believe one of the new bus fleets use the button (I can't remember if its the New Flyers or the Nova Electrics), so the transition from bars to buttons among the riders is already starting.
There are a lot of people within the TTC who agree with your contention about the door operation of the streetcars. But those people aren't in a position (in some cases, yet) to make a decision against how operations are today, so things are as they are.

Here's 2 pictures that I took with my phone:

This is I believe one of the track intrusion sensors. I believe this because anytime I stood on the yellow line waiting for the doors to open a red light would come on on the device. This red light isn't on if no "intrusion" is detected. It's like those sensors on automatic sliding doors.
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This is one half of the Guideway Intrusion Detection system. The one shown in the photo is the first layer, and yes, it activates an audible and visual warning if you've been on the yellow line for too long.

There are the same sensors mounted on the walls opposite the station platforms - these ones detect anyone who is actually on the tracks, and will send a signal to the ATC/ATO to stop any trains heading to that platform.

Dan
 
I agree that the "immediate countdown" pedestrian lights are ridiculous, but I'm used to them.

As for it being illegal to start crossing if the red hand is flashing, I find I'm usually not able to start crossing immediately anyway, either because there is a crowd of people waiting ot cross and we can't all start at once, or none of us can start because there is some minor gridlock.

What does bug me, however, is that at all intersections I use regularly, the lights cycle automatically, but in other neighbourhoods there are some that stay red unless someone pushed the crossing button. Expect to hear cursing from people waiting to cross, and didn't realize it's one of those. If you only realize a moment after the traffic light turns green but the pedestrial light sits there at red, the button may not work and you have to wait another cycle.

Similarly, buttons work differently at different intersections. Some buttons have to be pushed to get the crossing signal when the traffic signal changes, some have to be pushed to force the traffic cycle to start because the intersection stays green in one direction until either someone pushes a button, or detectors determine a car is waiting to cross or turn left, and some say push for audible signal only. Recently I had a woman yell at me because I was waiting to cross, and had not pushed the button. I pointed out the sign that said push for audible signal only, and she kept yelling and insisted those signs don't mean anything, and not pushing the button was delaying the signal change. I was partly annoyed, but also partly sympathetic, because it's understandable that people are confused when crossing buttons can do any one of three different things.

What we need is consistency. Every intersection's crossing button should do the same thing. We shouldn't have to read a paragraph on s sign to find out what the button does.

If only there was a clear big sign next to the button to tell you when you don't need to press it.
Sorry for one last off topic but I can't tell if @nfitz's comment is tounge-in-cheek.

There in fact is a big clear sign next to the beg buttons when you don't need to press them. I don't remember the exact text but IIRC it tells you that the button just gives an audible warning. I never read the text anyways because the colours of that sign are blue on white. If the intersection is semi-acuated (ie. the button is required to activate the walk signal) then the sign colours are black and white. They may not have swapped in the blue signs everywhere yet, but I can't recall the last intersection I used that didn't follow this pattern.

Finally, this is just a Toronto comment, I have no clue if this is a provincial standard, so north of Steeles YMMV.
 
There in fact is a big clear sign next to the beg buttons when you don't need to press them. I don't remember the exact text but IIRC it tells you that the button just gives an audible warning. I never read the text anyways because the colours of that sign are blue on white. If the intersection is semi-acuated (ie. the button is required to activate the walk signal) then the sign colours are black and white. They may not have swapped in the blue signs everywhere yet, but I can't recall the last intersection I used that didn't follow this pattern.

Finally, this is just a Toronto comment, I have no clue if this is a provincial standard, so north of Steeles YMMV.
Yep, the blue ones just say "Audible only" or something similar for the blind, i suppose

I think this is a sort of standard, as the black/white text is also in Mississauga. Quite nicely, the newer ones now have sensors so you don't need to even touch them, just wave in front of them.

Hopefully at some point in the future video processing and cameras are so cheap and reliable that you'd only need to install a camera above that would detect pedestrians automatically and activate the walk signal for them.

It's a little funny coming from the 905 as pressing the button is considered mandatory, vs. downtown torontonians who never press it and end up waiting at a light. Hadn't even known the latter type existed til i was in a suburb with a friend of mine and he just stood at the intersection.
 
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Hopefully at some point in the future video processing and cameras are so cheap and reliable that you'd only need to install a camera above that would detect pedestrians automatically and activate the walk signal for them.

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...or detect a coyote or raccoon or bird. Like how they open supermarket doors.
 
Trains are down between Eglinton and Laird due to a trespasser on track level...and of course, it happened just as I was already waiting for a train. I love wasting ten minutes of my commute due to these things. Nevermind that the Yonge line train is on hold at the moment.

I hope someone drove into the tunnel west of the Don river, and it wasn't a perp running through the tunnels.
 
Wouldn't removing a car take longer & cause longer service suspensions than catching a trespasser?
I omitted a few choice words in that last sentence, but, yes it would.

Anyway, it was not a long delay it seems, as service is back up and running AFAIK on the whole line.
 
Currently on Line 5. The audio has been reduced. Not calling every stop and fewer warnings to sit down and hold onto the hand rails.

Making for a much quieter and relaxing ride.

EDIT: Seems they may have also deactivated the platform warnings at the stations.

EDIT2: It's infact calling all the stations. Just fewer sit down warnings.
 
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