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Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)

Hopefully those who are inputting to the consultation sessions will comment on the value of high-platform, level boarding.
This particular AI product didn’t get it

- Paul

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Something I don’t think was mentioned here (if it was, apologies): one of the Alto staff said one possibility would be a station within walking distance of Union, instead of right at Union. I asked about East Harbour, and the impression I got was that is something they were very much not interested in. Union Station itself or somewhere within walking distance (in a worst case) was what looked like the goal.
We were told the same thing on Tuesday when I went. That was a particularly eye-opening statement, and certainly one at odds with the many people that contemplated putting the Toronto station anywhere else. And when pressed about the stations at Ottawa, Montreal and Quebec, only at Montreal was it seen as being a requirement to locate the Alto station nearby Gare Centrale.

The other interesting thing was that there was a bit of contradictory information between stations at the event. For instance, at one station I asked rather pointedly about the potential need for wildlife crossings along the line, and was told that the line would not be a totally sealed corridor so wildlife could cross through without much issue (barring that a lot of species have a great hesitance to crossing wide open spaces). Another location specifically commented about having a fully-sealed corridor for everyone's safety, with the need for features to allow intruding wildlife the ability to escape. And yet a third commented that they were a requirement, and especially in light with the ancestral hunting and gathering grounds of the local First Nations people.

My other take-away from the event was that the people manning the event were not some sort of organization hired specifically for this kind of thing. Many of the people there spoke very knowledgeably about specific details that they were investigating for the line, without giving away too much detail about the way that they were leaning. These were people directly involved in coming to some of the conclusions reached to this point. It was quite refreshing to get proper answers - in as much as they could give - rather than waffle-speak.

Dan
 
With the challenges of Via's new fleet,it had me wonder what the characteristics the trains serving ALTO will be.
Would I be correct to assume they will be fully electric for the whole route?
What about length, would length be an issue like it is for the CN service or, since there will not be any level crossings, will the length be irrelevant?
I am guessing it will be single level coaches.
 
With the challenges of Via's new fleet,it had me wonder what the characteristics the trains serving ALTO will be.
Would I be correct to assume they will be fully electric for the whole route?
What about length, would length be an issue like it is for the CN service or, since there will not be any level crossings, will the length be irrelevant?
I am guessing it will be single level coaches.
300m high speed electric trainsets. impression i got was single-level consists.
 
We were told the same thing on Tuesday when I went. That was a particularly eye-opening statement, and certainly one at odds with the many people that contemplated putting the Toronto station anywhere else. And when pressed about the stations at Ottawa, Montreal and Quebec, only at Montreal was it seen as being a requirement to locate the Alto station nearby Gare Centrale.
This reminded me of another thing I noticed. I asked about a secondary station in Toronto (selfishly I’d like one in Scarborough or Pickering). They were quite insistent that no stations other than the ones listed were being looked at. On the other hand, Laval was listed on the map and a couple of people made it quite clear that a Laval station was pretty much a guarantee.


The other interesting thing was that there was a bit of contradictory information between stations at the event. For instance, at one station I asked rather pointedly about the potential need for wildlife crossings along the line, and was told that the line would not be a totally sealed corridor so wildlife could cross through without much issue (barring that a lot of species have a great hesitance to crossing wide open spaces). Another location specifically commented about having a fully-sealed corridor for everyone's safety, with the need for features to allow intruding wildlife the ability to escape. And yet a third commented that they were a requirement, and especially in light with the ancestral hunting and gathering grounds of the local First Nations people.

That’s interesting. I wonder if by Thursday, everyone was on the same page. Every station I went to emphasized a completely sealed corridor with no grade crossings for people of wildlife. They mentioned the use of underpasses for crossings.
 
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Gotta love public input:




 
Gotta love public input:


"We want it!"

"We don't want it!"

Make up your mind and have a united front. If it were united for a stop, then maybe it would be considered how to get as close as they can. But with the backlash, there is a good chance it will not be close enough to warrant a stop.
 
We were told the same thing on Tuesday when I went. That was a particularly eye-opening statement, and certainly one at odds with the many people that contemplated putting the Toronto station anywhere else. And when pressed about the stations at Ottawa, Montreal and Quebec, only at Montreal was it seen as being a requirement to locate the Alto station nearby Gare Centrale.

The other interesting thing was that there was a bit of contradictory information between stations at the event. For instance, at one station I asked rather pointedly about the potential need for wildlife crossings along the line, and was told that the line would not be a totally sealed corridor so wildlife could cross through without much issue (barring that a lot of species have a great hesitance to crossing wide open spaces). Another location specifically commented about having a fully-sealed corridor for everyone's safety, with the need for features to allow intruding wildlife the ability to escape. And yet a third commented that they were a requirement, and especially in light with the ancestral hunting and gathering grounds of the local First Nations people.

My other take-away from the event was that the people manning the event were not some sort of organization hired specifically for this kind of thing. Many of the people there spoke very knowledgeably about specific details that they were investigating for the line, without giving away too much detail about the way that they were leaning. These were people directly involved in coming to some of the conclusions reached to this point. It was quite refreshing to get proper answers - in as much as they could give - rather than waffle-speak.

Dan
I really do not know what is and is not possible within the USRC but, for whatever reason, I am now wondering if ALTO is talking with the City about using part of the Green P Parking garage at 2 Church Street as its dedicated station.

Some might even say that it is within walking distance of Union Station, depending on the walking route taken, or the walking route to be created.

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I really do not know what is and is not possible within the USRC but, for whatever reason, I am now wondering if ALTO is talking with the City about using part of the Green P Parking garage at 2 Church Street as its dedicated station.

Some might even say that it is within walking distance of Union Station, depending on the walking route taken, or the walking route to be created.

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For surface level that may be a good option, but if it is an underground station, why would it not exit into the existing Union Station?
 
I really do not know what is and is not possible within the USRC but, for whatever reason, I am now wondering if ALTO is talking with the City about using part of the Green P Parking garage at 2 Church Street as its dedicated station.

Some might even say that it is within walking distance of Union Station, depending on the walking route taken, or the walking route to be created.

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lol no they need minimum 300m long platforms.
 
Something I don’t think was mentioned here (if it was, apologies): one of the Alto staff said one possibility would be a station within walking distance of Union, instead of right at Union. I asked about East Harbour, and the impression I got was that is something they were very much not interested in. Union Station itself or somewhere within walking distance (in a worst case) was what looked like the goal.
Not having these trains stop at Union Station proper would be quite the own goal for this project, considering the easier approach compared to Gare Centrale. There's talk of capacity constraints and lack of lounge space. I mean if the busier train hubs in Europe are accommodating both frequent intercity and regional services, we should be able to make that work here.
The folks at Metrolinx and ALTO might be letting perfect be the enemy of good.
 

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