Toronto Eglinton Line 5 Crosstown West Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

[NoahB]

Finch is a big transit hub for buses to and from York Region, GO and TTC buses as well. But you could argue it only became important after the subway terminated there 50 years ago.

I think @TorontoPotential and the rest of you @lastcommodore @fanoftoronto @T3G make good points.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't @TorontoPotential saying it would've been more optimal for the Line 5 west extension to have gone to Pearson in one breath by the early 2030s, rather than 2040+? Maybe that got lost in the strong rhetoric early on. Hard to argue against the ultimate point, but alas we are dealing with a limited budget and wasteful P3s.

Renforth might be nowhere compared to Pearson, but it is a transit hub like Kipling; the latter has transit-oriented developments sprouting nearby. I'm sure Renforth will get TODs eventually.

Same logic applies, but different context, for Line 2 Kipling vs. Sherway. Just a thought experiment: had the governments at the time knew how expensive transit would be by today, would they have stopped short at Kipling and Kennedy in 1980? Or would they have grovelled to the province and the feds to get enough money for longer extensions?

In 2026, I think we ought to lobby both levels of government to push for Ontario Line extensions soon as well. I'm ambivalent about a western/northern extension from Exhibition, some have suggested interlining with / taking over the UP Express ROW. I don't know if that would be optimal, even if feasible.

Exhibition isn't that bad, come on. BMO Field and Ricoh/Coca-Cola Coliseum are right next door. Those are destinations in and of themselves. Not to mention the first Lakeshore West subway connection outside Union (the last line without one).

I think you are giving too much benefit to a troll's posts. He does not take into account finite things like budgets, logistics, politics, etc. What I see is wishful thinking with no thought, just wants.

If the Ontario gov could get the crosstown extention to the airport, they would have. They announced the project as an extension to the airport. But the airport is still stuck designing its expansion. My understanding is that no new trains can connect to it until they are done.

 

[drum118]

I think you are giving too much benefit to a troll's posts. He does not take into account finite things like budgets, logistics, politics, etc. What I see is wishful thinking with no thought, just wants.

If the Ontario gov could get the crosstown extention to the airport, they would have. They announced the project as an extension to the airport. But the airport is still stuck designing its expansion. My understanding is that no new trains can connect to it until they are done.

You can build the airport extension easy but not cheap before a transit hub surface. You tunnel under the airport to a spot close to where it would be the best location to service. Depending on the location for the extraction of the TBM, it may end up just been burying the TBM just past the station. Construction of the station itself depends where it will be located and will have some issues doing so.

 

[TorontoPotential]

Finch is a big transit hub for buses to and from York Region, GO and TTC buses as well. But you could argue it only became important after the subway terminated there 50 years ago.

I think @TorontoPotential and the rest of you @lastcommodore @fanoftoronto @T3G make good points.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't @TorontoPotential saying it would've been more optimal for the Line 5 west extension to have gone to Pearson in one breath by the early 2030s, rather than 2040+? Maybe that got lost in the strong rhetoric early on. Hard to argue against the ultimate point, but alas we are dealing with a limited budget and wasteful P3s.

Renforth might be nowhere compared to Pearson, but it is a transit hub like Kipling; the latter has transit-oriented developments sprouting nearby. I'm sure Renforth will get TODs eventually.

Same logic applies, but different context, for Line 2 Kipling vs. Sherway. Just a thought experiment: had the governments at the time knew how expensive transit would be by today, would they have stopped short at Kipling and Kennedy in 1980? Or would they have grovelled to the province and the feds to get enough money for longer extensions?

In 2026, I think we ought to lobby both levels of government to push for Ontario Line extensions soon as well. I'm ambivalent about a western/northern extension from Exhibition, some have suggested interlining with / taking over the UP Express ROW. I don't know if that would be optimal, even if feasible.

Exhibition isn't that bad, come on. BMO Field and Ricoh/Coca-Cola Coliseum are right next door. Those are destinations in and of themselves. Not to mention the first Lakeshore West subway connection outside Union (the last line

if you think terminating at Exhibition makes sense instead of going a couple kilometres over to a literal transit wasteland known as Humber Bay… or maybe you work for Metrolinx to justify how this agency continues to ignore key opportunities staring them blind in the face for the last 20 years.

Finch is a big transit hub for buses to and from York Region, GO and TTC buses as well. But you could argue it only became important after the subway terminated there 50 years ago.

I think @TorontoPotential and the rest of you @lastcommodore @fanoftoronto @T3G make good points.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't @TorontoPotential saying it would've been more optimal for the Line 5 west extension to have gone to Pearson in one breath by the early 2030s, rather than 2040+? Maybe that got lost in the strong rhetoric early on. Hard to argue against the ultimate point, but alas we are dealing with a limited budget and wasteful P3s.

Renforth might be nowhere compared to Pearson, but it is a transit hub like Kipling; the latter has transit-oriented developments sprouting nearby. I'm sure Renforth will get TODs eventually.

Same logic applies, but different context, for Line 2 Kipling vs. Sherway. Just a thought experiment: had the governments at the time knew how expensive transit would be by today, would they have stopped short at Kipling and Kennedy in 1980? Or would they have grovelled to the province and the feds to get enough money for longer extensions?

In 2026, I think we ought to lobby both levels of government to push for Ontario Line extensions soon as well. I'm ambivalent about a western/northern extension from Exhibition, some have suggested interlining with / taking over the UP Express ROW. I don't know if that would be optimal, even if feasible.

Exhibition isn't that bad, come on. BMO Field and Ricoh/Coca-Cola Coliseum are right next door. Those are destinations in and of themselves. Not to mention the first Lakeshore West subway connection outside Union (the last line without one).

Yes well said. Ontario Line should at least continue to Humber Bay Shores and connect to the lakeshore line…. HBS has tens of thousands of residents sitting in a transit island and from a tourist and residents perspective the only real way there is by car which is total insanity and NOT sustainable for that strip of high density condos (and still growing) along with both vital and beautiful parklands that only car dependent residents can enjoy. Conceivably the lakeshore streetcar (501 service to Long Branch) could also be deleted if the Ontario Line had better connectivity to at least HBS with a possibility of it heading into westward to LongBranch and being connected to lakeshore GO line there . Terminating it at a parking lot that is busy 15% of the year is a lost opportunity to solve the South Etobicoke problem- albeit helpful for concert goers and TFC fans it will do little to improve the HBS transit island which is a real dilemma that needs a solution to resolve car dependency on the Gardiner and Lakeshore that will be further bottle knocked by a silly spa that we’re all paying for instead of resolving the Etobicoke South problem that could be resolved by skipping the parking lot funding and extending OL to HBS or Long Branch

 

[urbanclient]

Ontario Line should at least continue to Humber Bay Shores and connect to the lakeshore line

The irony is, there's a very good chance that they don't extend the Ontario Line to Humber Bay. Knowing the governments, they'll be content with a "cheap" Waterfront West LRT by 2045:

 

[TorontoPotential]

The irony is, there's a very good chance that they don't extend the Ontario Line to Humber Bay. Knowing the governments, they'll be content with a "cheap" Waterfront West LRT by 2045:
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Sad. It will make the current investments inefficient and will do little to get thousands of cars off the road nor improve access to parks and transit for a key growing part of the city. Conceivably the Park Lawn stop on Lakeshore West GO could still happen but when?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

When the Yonge Subway opened in 1954 with its north terminal at Eglinton Station, the neighbourhood was low density. No parking lots however.

 

[TorontoPotential]

When the Yonge Subway opened in 1954 with its north terminal at Eglinton Station, the neighbourhood was low density. No parking lots however.
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Well if that’s how it was done in 1954 - then that’s all the justification we need to not expand with consideration given to inter connectivity of as many lines as possible now. All aboard to Renfoth and to celebrating the 50 or so cars that this stop will take off the road in 2035!

 

[smallspy]

Yes well said. Ontario Line should at least continue to Humber Bay Shores and connect to the lakeshore line….

I'm confused.

What is the issue with the connection to the Lakeshore Line that they are already in the process of building? Why do they need another connection?

Dan

 

[centralblue]

Yes well said. Ontario Line should at least continue to Humber Bay Shores and connect to the lakeshore line…. HBS has tens of thousands of residents sitting in a transit island and from a tourist and residents perspective the only real way there is by car which is total insanity and NOT sustainable for that strip of high density condos (and still growing) along with both vital and beautiful parklands that only car dependent residents can enjoy. Conceivably the lakeshore streetcar (501 service to Long Branch) could also be deleted if the Ontario Line had better connectivity to at least HBS with a possibility of it heading into westward to LongBranch and being connected to lakeshore GO line there . Terminating it at a parking lot that is busy 15% of the year is a lost opportunity to solve the South Etobicoke problem- albeit helpful for concert goers and TFC fans it will do little to improve the HBS transit island which is a real dilemma that needs a solution to resolve car dependency on the Gardiner and Lakeshore that will be further bottle knocked by a silly spa that we’re all paying for instead of resolving the Etobicoke South problem that could be resolved by skipping the parking lot funding and extending OL to HBS or Long Branch

While it would be a natural an good extension the logistics of extending the O line to Humber Bayshore using the lake shore corridor is a challenging one. Assuming the current model of the O Line not sharing track with Go trains It would require the building of 5 new bridges and the rebuilding of 4 over passes to widen the corridor for 2 extra tracks. That is assuming the rest of the corridor is actually wide enough to allow for 2 new tracks. In some places it looks a bit tight for 6 tracks.

 

[nfitz]

Yes well said. Ontario Line should at least continue to Humber Bay Shores and connect to the lakeshore line….

Should it? It already connects to Lakeshore at Exhibition. I'd sooner see it head north up the Dufferin corridor which is desperately in need of higher-order transit.

As noted above, Humber Bay Shores is getting both a GO station and that new LRT one day. Which I'd imagine would be grade-separated all the way from Dufferin, near Exhibition station, to near ParkLawn. It should be pretty fast.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

While it would be a natural an good extension the logistics of extending the O line to Humber Bayshore using the lake shore corridor is a challenging one. Assuming the current model of the O Line not sharing track with Go trains It would require the building of 5 new bridges and the rebuilding of 4 over passes to widen the corridor for 2 extra tracks. That is assuming the rest of the corridor is actually wide enough to allow for 2 new tracks. In some places it looks a bit tight for 6 tracks.

See

Ontario Line Extension West of Ontario Place (Speculation)​

thread at https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ontario-line-extension-west-of-ontario-place-speculation.29469/

 

[TorontoPotential]

I'm confused.

What is the issue with the connection to the Lakeshore Line that they are already in the process of building? Why do they need another

While it would be a natural an good extension the logistics of extending the O line to Humber Bayshore using the lake shore corridor is a challenging one. Assuming the current model of the O Line not sharing track with Go trains It would require the building of 5 new bridges and the rebuilding of 4 over passes to widen the corridor for 2 extra tracks. That is assuming the rest of the corridor is actually wide enough to allow for 2 new tracks. In some places it looks a bit tight for 6 tracks.

Oh right I forgot it’s not Douggies ward…. Otherwise park lawn would already have their Go station or he would have already signed off on tunneling thru his beloved Etobicoke

Either way HBS desperately needs something as does Dufferin!

 

[Thaboss]

Douge ford stated that the western exstention is ahead of schedule.

Not a full blown confirmation of course but it is something that I and others have speculated.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Douge ford stated that the western exstention is ahead of schedule.

Not a full blown confirmation of course but it is something that I and others have speculated.

At least very few businesses along that stretch of Eglinton in Etobicoke are disrupted by the construction. Some may get business by the construction workers after work.

 

[duty free]

It doesn’t refer to it directly, but it would make logical sense for those two projects to be included in Ford’s next transit expansion announcement. The Sheppard Extension and Eglinton West Airport Extension alone don’t seem substantial enough to represent the next major tranche of expansion projects. You could perhaps make the case for including the Waterfront LRT as well. Beyond the following, however, it’s unlikely that anything else will make the list:

• Ontario Line North Extension
• Eglinton East LRT Extension
• Sheppard Extension
• Eglinton West LRT Airport Extension
• Waterfront LRT Extension

It's more likely that the next batch of projects announced by the Ford Government are:

• Ontario Line North Extension (Eglinton to Steeles ~10.6 km)
• Sheppard East Extension (Don Mills to McCowan / STC ~7.4 km)
• Sheppard West Extension (Yonge to Sheppard West ~4.4 km)
• Eglinton West LRT Airport Extension (Renforth to YYZ ~4.7 km)

27 km of new rapid transit in critically close ridings within Toronto like Don Valley North, Don Valley East, Scarborough Centre, Scarborough-Agincourt, Willowdale & York Centre. The Eglinton West LRT Airport Extension is just logical and inevitable as well. I don't see this government backing LRT's or LRT extensions, but we'll see. Anything is possible.