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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Thaboss said:
Ttc is having cold feet because they know if they screw this up....Boi the heat on them will be hotter than hell itself.
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Exactly. One get the sense that TTC/Metrolinx management is VERY nervous of this going badly and is trying to ensure that the opening would have no bad PR.
 
Thaboss said:
..soooo maybe, maybe not, maybe, maybe now feb 8th ?

Ttc is having cold feet because they know if they screw this up....Boi the heat on them will be hotter than hell itself.


Imo it seems like like 5 is a highly flawed product that may never run smoothly om the easy end, no matter how much it gets tested. Obviously throwing it to yhe curb is not an option so imo unless there is a serious risk of injury, the line should open with acknowledgement of its numerous flaws.
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We may yet have people be born and reach voting age before this thing opens.
 
thettctransitfanatic said:
They had even approached local jazz-funk ensemble the Shuffle Demons to perform, 40 years after the release of their 1986 hit Spadina Bus
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They’ll need to switch out this line

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thettctransitfanatic said:
Emergency brake issue fuels uncertainty over Eglinton LRT opening - The Globe and Mail

Just days before a potential opening of the long-delayed Eglinton Crosstown light-rail line, Ontario’s Metrolinx agency and the Toronto Transit Commission were at odds over a small number of incidents in which the vehicles’ automatic emergency brakes appeared to activate for no reason.
Two sources with knowledge of the 11th-hour efforts to launch the 19-kilometre line − which has been under construction for 15 years, at a cost of $13-billion − said the TTC had recently identified the problem as a potential safety issue.
The sources said TTC officials had found that a handful of times in recent testing, what appeared to be random emergency braking had brought cars to a halt. The Globe and Mail is not identifying the sources, as they were not authorized to discuss internal deliberations.
By late Thursday afternoon, however, after meetings involving city officials, TTC brass and Metrolinx, the sources said technical explanations had been provided for the braking incidents, but would not elaborate. The two sources also said that Feb. 8 − Super Bowl Sunday − could still be the kickoff date for the Crosstown, although nothing official had been announced.
Asked whether the TTC had identified a safety issue with the Crosstown that could hold up the line’s launch, Metrolinx spokeswoman Lyndsay Miller referred The Globe’s questions to the TTC.
However, in an e-mail, she said that at a Jan. 20 meeting of top TTC and Metrolinx officials, the TTC had confirmed that “no safety critical issues were outstanding.” A thousand TTC and Metrolinx staff participated in a successful simulation of full operations last week, she added.
Ms. Miller also said that Metrolinx “has been working around the clock with the TTC to provide information and data in direct response to all TTC requests.”
The TTC did not immediately provide a comment. Alstom, the maker of the vehicles, declined to comment.
City officials had already undertaken planning for an event to commemorate the launch on Feb. 8. They had even approached local jazz-funk ensemble the Shuffle Demons to perform, 40 years after the release of their 1986 hit Spadina Bus, a rap-infused ode to the now-defunct TTC route.
The group’s Richard Underhill told The Globe that the band had not yet secured the gig and that he did not know where the ceremony would take place.
“As Trump might say, there is a concept of a plan. I was asked about availability and that’s all I really know. No time, location or anything like that.”
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So should we still expect an announcement before the next board meeting?
 
thettctransitfanatic said:
Emergency brake issue fuels uncertainty over Eglinton LRT opening - The Globe and Mail
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"A Globe investigation found that the Ontario government of the day had ignored warnings that its plan to strip control of the construction from the TTC and hand it to its then-new Metrolinx agency and run it as a massive public-private partnership would result in delays, higher costs and legal wrangling."

I can't wait to hear how much it costs by 𝟤̶𝟢̶𝟤̶𝟨̶ 2027. The project reached $12.82 billion by 2022. If this project ends up costing $15+ billion and started major construction in 2011, can anyone still claim a fully underground metro would have been more expensive? Let alone a partially elevated one...

I've already seen the $15 billion number being floated around various places including Urban Toronto very recently.
 
thettctransitfanatic said:
Someone on the TTC Reddit thread is saying that someone told them that a Line 5 operator told them that there is an easy solution to this, and it's to disable the emergency brake system
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And while we're doing that, one great way to speed the line up would be to just not open or close the doors at stops. This would reduce dwell times to nearly nothing, and eliminate the risk of a delay to a passenger alarm.
 
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From what I've heard about the current state of the line, both publicly and privately, I think it's most likely than not at this point that Feb 8th doesn't happen. But I want to maintain some hope!
 
thettctransitfanatic said:
Someone on the TTC Reddit thread is saying that someone told them that a Line 5 operator told them that there is an easy solution to this, and it's to disable the emergency brake system
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Fairly certain it's being unintentionally misrepresented by the Globe here. It's the automatic braking that happens if the operator exceeds the (arbitrary) speed limits in a certain section, or gets "too close" to the train ahead. Both Line 5 and 6 have these automatic failsafes programmed in the signalling system.
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Worst case is the train loses signal and emergency brakes because it doesn't know where it is EDIT: apparently it might be GIDS causing the emergency braking, among other reasons.

Example from Line 5 op below, eastbound trains at Wynford cannot depart until the train ahead has departed Sloane. I would assume this bottleneck leads to bunching west of Wynford if the same restriction does not exist at Aga Khan.

I am told this is called Automatic Train Protection and ATP Enforcement braking.

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urbanclient said:
Fairly certain it's being unintentionally misrepresented by the Globe here. It's the automatic braking that happens if the operator exceeds the (arbitrary) speed limits in a certain section, or gets "too close" to the train ahead. Both Line 5 and 6 have these automatic failsafes programmed in the signalling system.

Worst case is the train loses signal and emergency brakes because it doesn't know where it is EDIT: apparently it might be GIDS causing the emergency braking as well

Example from Line 5 op below, eastbound trains at Wynford cannot depart until the train ahead has departed Sloane. I would assume this bottleneck leads to bunching west of Wynford if the same restriction does not exist at Aga Khan.

I am told this is called Automatic Train Protection and ATP Enforcement braking.

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Big difference if its just automatically braking with normal brakes or if the emergency brakes are misfiring. Magnetic emergency brakes stop the vehicle very abruptly and can injure riders on board, and potentially do damage to the tracks.
 
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