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Finch West Line 6 LRT

Bordercollie said:
Mosaic gets hit with financial penalties for the line being down. You would think that having foresight to plow or clear the snow than to be hit with financial penalties.

They can't be that incompetent to not understand that not clearing switches will result in trains not being able to be run and that would result in financial penalties.

So the logical thing would be after the first time would ensure that the switches are cleared to ensure trains can keep running.

But for whatever reason they don't understand it. Maybe they want to bankrupt themselves and walk away? That would be my only logical conclusion.
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Or it could be that the financial penalties and clauses in the contract are weak, to the point that Mosaic doesnt really care to properly act/dont see the lack of maintenance as much of a problem.

And knowing Metrolinx' track record of contract management/negotiation, we shouldnt be surprised if that was that case.

We dont know exactly what the contract specifies so unfortunately we cant say for sure.
 
Bordercollie said:
Mosaic gets hit with financial penalties for the line being down.
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How are you so sure? If they're not being penalized, then your conclusion doesn't hold. I don't discount the possibility that you have access to more info than a redacted contract.

I've scoured this contract, and don't even see where it says Mosaic (Project Co) is responsible for snow and ice clearing after testing i.e. upon substantial completion, during revenue service etc. The words 'snow' and 'ice' only appear in two clauses that involve phases before revenue / regular service. https://www.infrastructureontario.c...547f7993/finch-project-agreement-redacted.pdf
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Nothing here explicitly outlining snow and ice or 'winter' either:
 

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Should install canopies over the track switches if snow or ice are a problem.
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Start with the open light rail stations next to the track switches. Would help protect waiting passengers from the elements as well. (Should consider canopies for open subway track switches, as well.)
 
Bordercollie said:
Mosaic gets hit with financial penalties for the line being down. You would think that having foresight to plow or clear the snow than to be hit with financial penalties.
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But are the financial penalties large enough to make it more expensive to have a larger workforce or big $ snow contracts in place.

Meanwhile on the TTC where LRVs are better than subway in the snow, there's a lot of workers on the ground.
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Almost like the old days!
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urbanclient said:
How are you so sure? If they're not being penalized, then your conclusion doesn't hold. I don't discount the possibility that you have access to more info than a redacted contract.

I've scoured this contract, and don't even see where it says Mosaic (Project Co) is responsible for snow and ice clearing after testing i.e. upon substantial completion, during revenue service etc. The words 'snow' and 'ice' only appear in two clauses that involve phases before revenue / regular service. https://www.infrastructureontario.c...547f7993/finch-project-agreement-redacted.pdf
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Nothing here explicitly outlining snow and ice or 'winter' either:
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26.1 Overall Responsibility(a) Project Co shall, following the Substantial Completion Date, perform the Maintenance andRehabilitation Services:
(iv) in accordance with the Maintenance Plan;
 
littlewill1166 said:
26.1 Overall Responsibility(a) Project Co shall, following the Substantial Completion Date, perform the Maintenance andRehabilitation Services:
(iv) in accordance with the Maintenance Plan;
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I believe you, but where under that section does it mention the terms: winter, ice or snow? Or something to the effect of keeping the trackside infrastructure clear of obstruction caused by weather.
 
^^^
Vision Zero y'all.

Not a single accident can ever occur.

To get there, let's treat everyone like babies and make sure the whole city shall never move faster than 30km/h.

Hopefully soon it will be 20 km/h.

And then eventually 6km/h... walking pace.

Shoot, someone could still trip. Maybe everyone should just stay in their homes.

But, but, but Europe....

You brought this on yourselves people! Enjoy your 30km/h city.

:p
 
Fred.S said:
These switch issues seem to highlight to me some questionable design choices on this line that I noticed when I first rode it.

Departing Finch West station, the LRT immediately climbs up to a signalized intersection (Romfield Lane), with the exposed track switch right before. Couldn't they have extended the tunnel past here to avoid the intersection (it has no stop) and then keep the track switch underground and protected from the elements?
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It does seem an odd choice to put your most weather-prone components outside when you have underground and covered sections.
 
hawc said:
^^^
Vision Zero y'all.

Not a single accident can ever occur.

To get there, let's treat everyone like babies and make sure the whole city shall never move faster than 30km/h.

Hopefully soon it will be 20 km/h.

And then eventually 6km/h... walking pace.

Shoot, someone could still trip. Maybe everyone should just stay in their homes.

But, but, but Europe....

You brought this on yourselves people! Enjoy your 30km/h city.

:p
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Lol its Vision Zero. Zero Vision is an amazing rephrasing of that.

There's only one way to get to literal Zero accidents ever. 0 km/h trains.

Just park em and call it a day. Maybe they can be shelters in the cold for the unhoused.
 
robmausser said:
Lol its Vision Zero. Zero Vision is an amazing rephrasing of that.

There's only one way to get to literal Zero accidents ever. 0 km/h trains.

Just park em and call it a day. Maybe they can be shelters in the cold for the unhoused.
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That also cuts operating costs to zero! Careful, talk like that will get you fast-tracked to the Party Bureau, Comrade Mausser.

Only Stalin himself could match your talent for saving the People money.
 
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