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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

The configuration you illustrated is the interchange's previous configuration, which they changed because of the danger of weaving on the DVP. The weaving on Eglinton is not an issue because you can just use normal intersections instead of high speed ramps. But you can't do that on the DVP.

One of my favourite things about the MTO is that they hate cloverleaf weaving as much as I do. If then MTO controlled the DVP I'm pretty sure they would have converted the Lawrence interchange from a full cloverleaf to a partial cloverleaf a long time ago.
The Lawrence coverleaf is stretched out so there is more time for drivers to switch lanes. At Eglinton, it's much shorter so there are more problems. The Don Mills interchange also has a shorter distance but less people use that on ramp from NB Don Mills to SB DVP. They also removed the NW loop at York Mills for weaving issues.

I say the most problematic spot isn't these coverleaves but the Rees on ramp to EB Gardiner to the Jarvis off ramp. That gets a lot of traffic being the last places to enter and exit the Gardiner without going all the way to the DVP.
 
One of my favourite things about the MTO is that they hate cloverleaf weaving as much as I do. If then MTO controlled the DVP I'm pretty sure they would have converted the Lawrence interchange from a full cloverleaf to a partial cloverleaf a long time ago.
Some really bad weavings include southbound Bayview extension at DVP ramps and eastbound Gardiner at Islington.
 
Take it for what it's worth, I guess...

Right....just like he was confident it was going to open before the end of 2025.

At this point, I dont even think I care when this thing opens anymore. They could open it in 2030, it's not like anyone would face any consequences for it.
 
Take it for what it's worth, I guess...


You know how in NBA games the final two minutes takes like 30 minutes real time? This is how it feels right now wrt line 5
 
John Michael McGrath, in defense of LRT:




ANALYSIS: Let’s pump the brakes on talk of ‘subways, subways, subways’ in Toronto

Its not a great piece by John Michael.

He completely ignores the question of what people want (speed as example); and how you do or don't get there.

His entire thesis amounts to Finch was never going to be a subway and LRT is better than a bus.

Except, in this case, as operated, it is not.

Facts matter.

He's right to pillory the way in which transit was handled by various pols, both municipal and provincial.

He'd be on solid ground if he said its possible to do LRT better. (it is)

But he just gives the Miller era plan, such as it was (lines on a map) a free pass, ignoring that it didn't set any real technical standards to achieve that align with public expectations.

It reads a bit as though one were saying..... we proposed and 1/2 built this terrible public housing with prison-like architecture, terrible layout and unit sizes and poor neighbourhood plan, because we can't give everyone a Bridle Path address; as if there isn't something between those two points.

Finch wasn't going to be a subway (agreed), equally we can't do subways to everywhere. But we have to ask why are we building this transit? To which the answer ought to be, some variation of to better connect people to the places they need and want to go, faster, more frequently ,with greater comfort and ease.

Any number of choices of rolling stock , power , platform heights etc. may help achieve these goals at various price points. We certainly need to be judicious w/the dollars in question. But in saying as much, that means not spending money on projects that don't serve ALL of the above goals.
 
Right....just like he was confident it was going to open before the end of 2025.

At this point, I dont even think I care when this thing opens anymore. They could open it in 2030, it's not like anyone would face any consequences for it.
Tbf based on what we know, if it were up to metrolinx it would be open right now.

However, that comes with the obvious caveat that operations would have been trash like finch. Hopfully we can avoid that faith. Frankly i would delay things further if it meant better more aggresive operations overall.


Toronto transit badly needs a win
 
The configuration you illustrated is the interchange's previous configuration, which they changed because of the danger of weaving on the DVP. The weaving on Eglinton is not an issue because you can just use normal intersections instead of high speed ramps. But you can't do that on the DVP.

One of my favourite things about the MTO is that they hate cloverleaf weaving as much as I do. If then MTO controlled the DVP I'm pretty sure they would have converted the Lawrence interchange from a full cloverleaf to a partial cloverleaf a long time ago.
Here's a crazy idea - we direct drivers going north on the DVP to use Wynford, then close the NB ramps at Eglinton. The only weaving that remains is WB Eglinton, which can be solved with a longer ramp (more space now that there aren't any NB ramps) and/or a tight curve to slow down drivers.

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**disclaimer -- I am an amateur with a crayon that doesn't really know what he's talking about**

An easier (but unrealistic since it inconveniences drivers) solution to the first section could be to simply ban left turns to/from Leslie, forcing some drivers to U-turn at the Brentcliffe portal and Don Mills respectively, allowing for the retention of the central alignment. This still leaves the issue of passengers/pedestrians crossing the street and going between platforms, could a pedestrian bridge with ramps be a feasible build, maybe along the CPKC bridge?

For the second section, could the DVP interchange be reconfigured slightly to the 4-clover design of Lawrence one arterial to the north? This would get rid of both crossings of the centre ROW and extend grade separation further east. The pedestrian crossing at Wynford stop would have to be eliminated, but pedestrians could be encouraged to walk down the stairs to Wynford drive (albeit inconvenient and ramps would need to be added).

Instead of tunneling beyond this point, could the line be elevated east of the Don for less money? Eglinton is wide in the area and the space available between Ionview and the tunnel portal is similar (a little shorter) than the underground-elevated transition at Black Creek Drive in the west, meaning the current trains should be able to tackle the necessary grade.

My biggest complaint about the Crosstown (and there are plenty) but my biggest complaint is that the LRT ROW comes out of a portal from underground and into the MIDDLE OF THE STREET and forces a signal at the Leslie intersection which is a THREE WAY INTERSECTION. Then, the train never crosses an intersection again until it goes underground again at Don Valley station.

In my books, there is no greater example of blind thinking of Toronto, that since streetcars are in the middle of the road, the LRT ROW HAS TO BE this way too.

Because, any person with an IQ over 40 could easily, EASILY see, that by having the LRT portal emerge south of Eglinton Ave would have completely avoided an intersection at Leslie, since the road is a three way! I bet bacteria would have figured this out.

It drives me insane that this signalized intersection with the LRT exists.
 
My biggest complaint about the Crosstown (and there are plenty) but my biggest complaint is that the LRT ROW comes out of a portal from underground and into the MIDDLE OF THE STREET and forces a signal at the Leslie intersection which is a THREE WAY INTERSECTION. Then, the train never crosses an intersection again until it goes underground again at Don Valley station.

In my books, there is no greater example of blind thinking of Toronto, that since streetcars are in the middle of the road, the LRT ROW HAS TO BE this way too.

Because, any person with an IQ over 40 could easily, EASILY see, that by having the LRT portal emerge south of Eglinton Ave would have completely avoided an intersection at Leslie, since the road is a three way! I bet bacteria would have figured this out.

It drives me insane that this signalized intersection with the LRT exists.
You can thank the Leaside Residents Association for it not being underground here.
 
Take it for what it's worth, I guess...


Would he be willing to step down if it is not?

Tbf based on what we know, if it were up to metrolinx it would be open right now.

However, that comes with the obvious caveat that operations would have been trash like finch. Hopfully we can avoid that faith. Frankly i would delay things further if it meant better more aggresive operations overall.


Toronto transit badly needs a win
The fact that it is running is a win. That is why there is so much anger around this line. It isn't running and it should be.
 
Take it for what it's worth, I guess...

famous last words

 
Tbf based on what we know, if it were up to metrolinx it would be open right now.

However, that comes with the obvious caveat that operations would have been trash like finch. Hopfully we can avoid that faith. Frankly i would delay things further if it meant better more aggresive operations overall.


Toronto transit badly needs a win
Imagine if TTC delayed opening until February just for it to run as slow as Finch

Actually, we won't need to imagine. This'll be the reality. I see trains do test runs everyday and they seem no faster than they were pre-Finch opening. Aggressive TSP doesn't seem to be on yet, as I still see the Line 5 trains waiting at red lights
 

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