hw621
Senior Member
Officially no 2025 opening lol
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A 6264
Active Member
Actually out, or just an insider sneak preview? I was out on NY's Eve and didn't see any on buses or subway.
WillTo
Senior Member
It was at a fare collector booth for the taking.
2323
New Member
Hate to be the pessimistic one, but when do we start worrying about 2026?
A 6264
Active Member
Entering 7th year of not being able to believe it will not be open in a few months.
6ixGod
Active Member
Delayed all these years, only to be Line 6 V2.0.
Gotta love it!
Gotta love it!
youngblood
Active Member
Im already worried it has now slipped to summer 2026 since chow said line 5 is not opening without TSP
nfitz
Superstar
Doesn't really matter what he says if it's not going well between now and then.
TTC's mistake was opening Finch before operations were consistent, and run times were 38 minutes as promised (or 33 minutes if they had gone with the TSP).
PL1
Senior Member
Honestly, the perpetual "it's the worst ever/never going to open/huge mistake" merry-go-round is exhausting. It bumps the thread for no new content, and regurgitates/rehashes previous discussion.
I know my comment won't change anything, but...
I know my comment won't change anything, but...
ThenWhat
Active Member
The province and the city are not short of PR consultants, so I don't understand their media strategy. They could get ahead of the story before opening Line 6, and now Line 5, instead of reacting afterwards and pretending to be surprised (which makes them look either dishonest or incompetent).
Why not open Line 5 now (or even back in December) with a message, repeated many times so it's not missed by anybody, that the line will be running slow for several months, after which the accumulated experience with operations will make it possible to run at the target speed.
What we get instead is overpromise and underdeliver, a recipe for PR disaster.
Why not open Line 5 now (or even back in December) with a message, repeated many times so it's not missed by anybody, that the line will be running slow for several months, after which the accumulated experience with operations will make it possible to run at the target speed.
What we get instead is overpromise and underdeliver, a recipe for PR disaster.
afransen
Senior Member
Indeed. I was baffled that all the pols and officials were all smiles and celebrating at opening of line 6, as if there were no known issues. The fact that the leadership of Metrolinx and the TTC had no inkling that expectations needed to be managed is almost unbelievable.
A 6264
Active Member
I don't think it would have mattered if they had waited longer. All parties collectively decided to have it run as it did, and would never have understood what public reaction would be until they went ahead and opened it.
A 6264
Active Member
They already said this would be the case, regardless of when it opens, back in summer. I doubt that part of the plan will change. I suspect the current delay is less about making fixes, and more about just being afraid to open it and face the inevitable criticism. In which case, the amount of time they wait, is not relevant. For some time, I've been saying that a lack of courage is what keeps the line from opening, and they seemed to finally almost get over it when the disaster of Finch West brought their fears back. What's the solution? Maybe, send the heads of the various organizations involved to therapy.
This is coming from an uninformed member of the public, and I'm sure others with inside information will give better reasons/excuses for the delay. But I think my assessment may be the real, deeper problem.
GenerationLee
Senior Member
I took this just a few hours into the new year, after work, in thinking rhetorically and ironically of a "new me, new year" mentality to this view I see outside one of my local stations (Mount Pleasant)
MisterF
Senior Member
I've been predicting this public reaction for years. But it's even worse now because we've sleepwalked into all the insane "safety" constraints that have been imposed since the line was designed.