Bradford Bypass (MTO, Hwy 400 - Hwy 404)

[north-of-anything]

I feel like curving 427 to the east like that is a mistake. It should curve west to Wasaga. Barrie already has the 400.

Assuming the 427 continues as a straight shot north-northwest from its current terminus, like it is shown in the graphic on the previous page, curving west towards Wasaga Beach would rip right through the Minesing Wetlands Conservation Area, unless you were extra careful to thread the needle north of Angus. If we were to be building more infrastructure up that way, I'd much rather it be a Barrie GO extension than another 400-series freeway.

If you wanted to go west, you would have to branch off much earlier than that. I would personally do so right away, and run the extension adjacent to Bolton's distribution centres, and then along the west edge of New Tecumseth's population centres up to Highway 89.

I think the logic behind an extension heading northeast around Barrie is to terminate at a freeway-freeway connection on the 400, although the opportunity to do so may slip away if Barrie expands their urban boundary into the thin greenfield corridor south of Snow Valley.

 

[kamira51]

Assuming the 427 continues as a straight shot north-northwest from its current terminus, like it is shown in the graphic on the previous page, curving west towards Wasaga Beach would rip right through the Minesing Wetlands Conservation Area, unless you were extra careful to thread the needle north of Angus. If we were to be building more infrastructure up that way, I'd much rather it be a Barrie GO extension than another 400-series freeway.

If you wanted to go west, you would have to branch off much earlier than that. I would personally do so right away, and run the extension adjacent to Bolton's distribution centres, and then along the west edge of New Tecumseth's population centres up to Highway 89.

I think the logic behind an extension heading northeast around Barrie is to terminate at a freeway-freeway connection on the 400, although the opportunity to do so may slip away if Barrie expands their urban boundary into the thin greenfield corridor south of Snow Valley.

The environment is wayyyyyyyy more fragile north of Bolton for a extension of highway 427, with the valleys and steep hills, i dont think its even possible.

 

[narduch]

I think it's cute you guys think Doug Ford cares about any wetlands.

Not that I think we are getting a 427 extension any time soon.

 

[Westey]

Assuming the 427 continues as a straight shot north-northwest from its current terminus, like it is shown in the graphic on the previous page, curving west towards Wasaga Beach would rip right through the Minesing Wetlands Conservation Area, unless you were extra careful to thread the needle north of Angus. If we were to be building more infrastructure up that way, I'd much rather it be a Barrie GO extension than another 400-series freeway.

If you wanted to go west, you would have to branch off much earlier than that. I would personally do so right away, and run the extension adjacent to Bolton's distribution centres, and then along the west edge of New Tecumseth's population centres up to Highway 89.

I think the logic behind an extension heading northeast around Barrie is to terminate at a freeway-freeway connection on the 400, although the opportunity to do so may slip away if Barrie expands their urban boundary into the thin greenfield corridor south of Snow Valley.

The route shown seems to follow a hydro corridor about 10 km West of highway 400.
The 2 options at the north that curve earlier appear to be trying to avoid the Minesing Marsh.
Anyways - I am sure they find a way of extending the BBP west of Hwy. 400 - but likely requires more cost and more land if they didn't plan ahead.
This really raises the question of whether a freeway will be needed for Collingwood/Wasaga, or Muskoka cottage country.

 

[Transportfan]

Assuming the 427 continues as a straight shot north-northwest from its current terminus, like it is shown in the graphic on the previous page, curving west towards Wasaga Beach would rip right through the Minesing Wetlands Conservation Area, unless you were extra careful to thread the needle north of Angus. If we were to be building more infrastructure up that way, I'd much rather it be a Barrie GO extension than another 400-series freeway.

Extending the 410 instead would be smarter as there's lots of traffic between Peel and Wasaga/Collingwood, proportionally more than Toronto I'd think, as tourists (and retirees making frequent trips to and from the GTA to visit family) tend to visit and retire to places closer to their sector of the GTA--a lot of Wasaga residents are retirees from Brampton for example. And it would serve Orangeville and Shelburne, which are fast growing.

And it avoids the Minesing Wetlands...

 

[Dan416]

Extending the 410 instead would be smarter as there's lots of traffic between Peel and Wasaga/Collingwood, proportionally more than Toronto I'd think, as tourists (and retirees making frequent trips to and from the GTA to visit family) tend to visit and retire to places closer to their sector of the GTA--a lot of Wasaga residents are retirees from Brampton for example. And it would serve Orangeville and Shelburne, which are fast growing.

And it avoids the Minesing Wetlands...

Sorry for derailing the thread a bit. Yeah I would prefer a 410 extension to Wasaga as well.

In terms of the 4XX number for the Bradford Bypass, with the former Highway 88 being so close it does seem logical that they'd do 488. Doesn't every 400-series highway paralleling another highway adopt that number these days? Highway 412 vs Highway 12 being the latest example. Though they didn't do that for Highway 418 for whatever reason. Maybe there was nothing else to choose from nearby.

 

[Westey]

Extending the 410 instead would be smarter as there's lots of traffic between Peel and Wasaga/Collingwood, proportionally more than Toronto I'd think, as tourists (and retirees making frequent trips to and from the GTA to visit family) tend to visit and retire to places closer to their sector of the GTA--a lot of Wasaga residents are retirees from Brampton for example. And it would serve Orangeville and Shelburne, which are fast growing.

And it avoids the Minesing Wetlands...

Highway 10 follows a much more environmentally sensitive route (marked in red - Forks of Credit, Hockley, Mansfield) than highway 27 (427).
With Highway 413 in place, 410 traffic could relatively easily move East to 427.
Anyways, to tie this to the thread name, it would be the Bradford ByPass that extends to bypass Alliston (replacing hwy 89) and curves up to Stayner (sort of between Collingwood and Wasaga).