Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[A 6264]

At some point I think transit fans will be the only people looking at the system map. Everyone else will be typing in where they want to go and Google will tell them what to take and Google will only consider travel time, not factors like vehicle type (unless the user specifies a bus or rail aversion).

Oddly enough, it's very common for to hear bus passengers ask bus drivers questions about how to get to where they're going, rather than using tech to look it up, or sometimes they ask other passengers.

The way it often goes, is they ask their question awkwardly, the bus driver says, "well where are you trying to get to, exactly?", and the passenger goes off on a ramble about other things. I think they get that from watching politicians being asked questions on TV. Then when the driver tells them they're going in the wrong direction, and what they should do, the passenger gives them a funny look, like the driver must not know what he's talking about.

 

[A 6264]

Kind of a shame about the Cedarvale signage. The stainless steel looks much more refined. Obviously this was done on the cheap.

Not so much cheap in cost, but cheap in appearance. Elegance is not trendy, I guess.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Kind of a shame about the Cedarvale signage. The stainless steel looks much more refined. Obviously this was done on the cheap.

At least it is not gold paint.

 

[youngblood]

I’m speculating that we should have a date for line 5 by Dec 7 (or whenever line 6 opens). We all know the first question going to be asked of the politico at the line 6 opening ceremony will be and I would assume at that point they’d have some prepared remarks other than “there’s still a chance this year”

 

[pleaseLRT]

Metrolinx Board Docs for its Thu, Nov 27 board meeting were released and quickly taken down, however @Sauga89 was able to capture them before their deletion. Here are 2 things I found interesting re: Line 5

#1 - Still in RSD. Hasn't been handed to the TTC yet for final preparations

Here is a sixth document.
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#2 - ZERO mention of Line 5's progress in this slide deck. Makes me think that MX themselves have no idea when this will be done (also congrats on Line 6 for opening on Dec 7)

As mentioned, @nfitz has already posted this in the Finch West LRT thread (probably with higher resolution), but for convenience I figured I'd post this here too.
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[hw621]

I’m speculating that we should have a date for line 5 by Dec 7 (or whenever line 6 opens). We all know the first question going to be asked of the politico at the line 6 opening ceremony will be and I would assume at that point they’d have some prepared remarks other than “there’s still a chance this year”

to something like "not a chance this year"?

 

[youngblood]

to something like "not a chance this year"?

At least that's a definitive statement by them

 

[WillTo]

Last night, not all of history had been erased, yet.

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One door leads to Cedarvale station, the other Eglinton West. If you are in a wheelchair you must use Cedarvale.

 

[nfitz]

The way it often goes, is they ask their question awkwardly, the bus driver says, "well where are you trying to get to, exactly?", and the passenger goes off on a ramble about other things. I think they get that from watching politicians being asked questions on TV. Then when the driver tells them they're going in the wrong direction, and what they should do, the passenger gives them a funny look, like the driver must not know what he's talking about.

Often, the driver knows very little about the neighbourhood they are driving in. Why they stand at the stops, with other people, and instead want to ask the driver, who may well live in Milton, I don't know. Especially when it's about which other bus to take to get where ...

 

[A 6264]

Often, the driver knows very little about the neighbourhood they are driving in. Why they stand at the stops, with other people, and instead want to ask the driver, who may well live in Milton, I don't know. Especially when it's about which other bus to take to get where ...

You and I are talking about different things, I think. Consider this (imaginary) example: Someone gets on bus 34 Eglinton eastbound at Mt. Pleasant, the bus is travelling from Eglinton to Kenneday stations, and the passenger asks, "Does this bus go to the subway?" The answer is yes, eventually, but it's likely the passenger is trying to get to Eglinton station, and is going the wrong way. When the driver asks, which station, or which direction will they be going when they get to a station, the passenger just says, "I want the subway". If the driver advises the passenger should be going in the other direction to get to the nearest station, the passenger may still be confused, and give up, staying on the bus that's taking them the wrong way. I'm not making fun of people or being dismissive, I just think it's sad that I've seen this happen so often. As for asking other passengers instead of TTC personnel, I see that happen too, with the same results. I do agree that if the passenger is asking about something else entirely, like how to get to a local business, another passenger might know better than a driver, but then again, the reverse is just as likely, in my experience both as an observer, and as one who occasionally needs to ask directions myself.

 

[A 6264]

One door leads to Cedarvale station, the other Eglinton West. If you are in a wheelchair you must use Cedarvale.

Please, let's not be giving sections of the same station different names. You'll have people asking which train will take them from Cedarvale to Eglinton West. (But I'm being a hypocrite because I like the Yonge and Bloor platforms having different names, and I hope the TTC never changes them.)

 

[nfitz]

Please, let's not be giving sections of the same station different names. You'll have people asking which train will take them from Cedarvale to Eglinton West. (But I'm being a hypocrite because I like the Yonge and Bloor platforms having different names, and I hope the TTC never changes them.)

Not one is.

You are replying to a joke. Why do you think they won't change both signs?

 

[Steve X]

Kind of a shame about the Cedarvale signage. The stainless steel looks much more refined. Obviously this was done on the cheap.

Not only it’s cheap. There are near impossible to read in the dark. They have gone this route on many signage throughout the system by replacing backlit signs with a mostly black wooden board. If they want to do this, they should install lights to shine on it.

 

[nfitz]

You and I are talking about different things, I think.

No, pretty much the same thing. Though more often a street (though you see all things). Meanwhile there's a dozen of people at the stop, who'd mostly be able to give (often better) help; and certainly less rushed help ... with it easy to point to the stop they might need.

Though why not put the destination (or next) station on the sign? Oh well, I suppose at least they but bus numbers on most of the signs now.

At least Eglinton line won't have this problem at the surface stops. Assuming that the signage hasn't changed since when this one was taken, over 5 years ago.

 

[Natika33]

Vehicle type does not matter. If it did, the Scarborough RT would have been differentiated on the map differently than the other lines, and it was not.

To the average customer, the Eglinton and Finch West lines will behave a lot like a subway - they will come quite frequently, they will have to pay before boarding the vehicle, and they will be able to enter from any door. Thus, it makes sense to put them on the map as equivalent.


Agreed on all counts.


Also agreed. This is why I disagree with putting the streetcars on any subway map without also putting a bus. The two are equivalent.

Dan

Hmmm... I do not see streetcars & buses as equivalent & most definitely would choose a route that uses the former over the latter when the option exists. And I'd like to visually be able to see my subway & streetcar options together, not on different maps. But I guess it is also true that most of us will just use Google Maps to plan our routes, not maps, so perhaps the point is moot.