hw621
Senior Member
Lots of confidence in the smooth operation there, even if it opens by then...
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youngblood
Active Member
I will ride this thing on day 1, safety checks be damned!
I’ve waited too damn long for this thing
hw621
Senior Member
Joy ride on the line is one thing, risking missing a flight is another lol
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
You also forgot that Mount Dennis Station, the bus terminal at Mount Dennis Station, and the GO/UP Express platforms there are opening the same day. And yes these are the first Line 5 stations/infrastructure to open aside from the Keelesdale Station bus terminal.
LNahid2000
Senior Member
It was running on Tuesday. I took the 34 bus from Victoria Park to Kennedy and we beat the train LOL.
TOtramz
Active Member
I think the main idea was that even though we see trains running on the line, it doesn't necessarily mean RSD because apparently the signal system is not allowing the full amount of trains needed
hw621
Senior Member
Rumor has it that LRTs (coupled streetcars) are for higher capacity, not necessarily faster speed lol...
T3G
Senior Member
You can very, very easily achieve both.
If the latter is not achieved, it is purely and solely due to institutional inertia and paranoia, nothing else.
N. B. If you've ever had the misfortune of using the Mississauga transitway, you'll observe that buses there are no speed demons, either. Apparently, unless we're dealing with heavy rail or subways*, speed is a dirty word around these parts.
* Though, not so much anymore, what with the myriad slow zones that never get fixed.
urbanclient
Active Member
And yet we were told that Metrolinx figured 21 minutes from Leslie (Sunnybrook Park stop) to Kennedy. Roughly 7.3km in 21 minutes for an average speed of ~21km/h.
From Victoria Park to Kennedy is ~3.3km with the 34A scheduled to take 19 minutes. This allegedly beat the LRT which was supposed to make a journey 2x the length in 21 minutes. @LNahid2000 This is highly anecdotal, but if representative of RSD, does not bode well for the surface section. I can only hope RSD is not running if LNahid's story is true.
For reference, driving a car at this time of day is supposed to take 19 minutes from Leslie to Kennedy, according to Google Maps. This is comparable because the LRT has virtually no signal priority. For an LRT to do 21 minutes, then it must be averaging the same speed while in motion, plus a dwell time of only 12 seconds per stop/station (10 stops). This is all not to mention the longer routing due to climbs and descents to/from Don Valley and Kennedy stations. Line 1 has longer dwell times than 12 seconds.
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LNahid2000
Senior Member
The scheduled time is overstated. I got on the bus at 2:22pm and made it onto the 2:36pm 905A bus at Kennedy, so the actual trip took 13 minutes since I barely made the 905A.
smallspy
Senior Member
When?
The 21 minutes that the LRT takes will be pretty consistent, with times only lengthening slightly at rush hours. And will be consistent in both directions.
The 34A may take 19 minutes during the middle of a weekday, but that time increases greatly at rush hours or during the middle of the day on Saturdays and Sundays.
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urbanclient
Active Member
Pardon my doomerism.
In other news, I roughly estimate the LRT will spend 12-14 minutes travelling, roughly 3 minutes for dwell times (20 seconds stopped including door opening and closing time like Line 1), and 4-6 minutes waiting at traffic lights. 19 to 23 minutes total travel time for the surface section, does that sound about right @smallspy ?
duffo
Active Member
For all the grumbling about travel time on the at-grade section, Line 2 between Runnymede and Bay (very similar distance and stop spacing) is not that far off from Line 5 between Leslie and Kennedy - if 21 mins ends up being realistic.
hw621
Senior Member
Line 2 has no level crossings, but lots of slow zones. So I guess the comparison is fair.
nfitz
Superstar
Line 1 has had most of the slow zones.
Line 2 currently has none between Runnymede and Bay (or heck, Royal York and Warden). If you go back to the historical travel time from a couple of decades ago from Bay to Runnymede (7.2 km) it's 14 minutes. Significantly faster.