GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)

[MisterF]

Nice that the government can spend money to expand Kitchener line service again & again, yet can't drop a dime for limited weekend Milton service!

That's a CP mainline. So CP calls the shots.

The agreement to buy 21 km of ROW from CN will free up the Kitchener line from freight control to enable service upgrades. Something similar for Milton would be many times bigger and more complex.

 

[reaperexpress]

Nice that the government can spend money to expand Kitchener line service again & again, yet can't drop a dime for limited weekend Milton service!

The Kitchener line has far more all-day two-way ridership potential than Milton (and it already has more ridership today) because it connects the centres of several major cities, not just dispersed suburbs in Mississauga and Milton.

But in any case, this news should actually be good news for Milton, since sets a precedent for Metrolinx attempting similar negotiations with CPKC to create a dedicated corridor there as well.

 

[Allandale25]

Metrolinx announced that early works on the Galloway Road grade separation will begin next month. Major construction is scheduled to begin in Fall 2026, and Galloway Rd will close in 2027.

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I assume it'll protect for a fourth track?

 

[Allandale25]

At West Highland Creek on the Stouffville Line, there's equipment being set up and new materials (those white "bails" they put in the water, I think?). Could this be the start of the great crossing?

Aka the "@crs1026 Crossing" for all his references to it lagging.

 

[Voltz]

I assume it'll protect for a fourth track?

They seem to have forgotten that Guildwood Station was rebuilt with room for a fourth track, so I'm skeptical.

 

[sixrings]

The Kitchener line has far more all-day two-way ridership potential than Milton (and it already has more ridership today) because it connects the centres of several major cities, not just dispersed suburbs in Mississauga and Milton.

But in any case, this news should actually be good news for Milton, since sets a precedent for Metrolinx attempting similar negotiations with CPKC to create a dedicated corridor there as well.

You can add up the populations of all the cities on that route and compare it to the Milton lines populations and you will figure out that is not as lopsided as it sounds.

Kitchener 260k

Guelph 125k

Acton 10k

Georgetown 45k

Mount Dennis 65k

Brampton 800k



Milton 155k

Mississauga 800k

 

[Allandale25]

LOL I have never seen land bought in linear measures before.

Rolls of sod, maybe.

- Paul

PS - 20.9 km length x 20 m wide ROW = 418,000 m2 = 41.8 hectares = 103.3 acres
Compare that to the land required to build a 4-lane expressway

On the socials, Metrolinx is putting out a video and there is a map visualization. Wish the news release material had this.

 

[nfitz]

With respect to the Danforth…do any of the Metrolinx planners actually use or at least simulate use of any of these entrances and exits to their stations?

From the discussions at the open house (discussed above), they are considering Dawes. And I'd think that Stephenson would be mostly up to the city, whether to reopen or not.

 

[ZEBuilder]

You can add up the populations of all the cities on that route and compare it to the Milton lines populations and you will figure out that is not as lopsided as it sounds.

Kitchener 260k

Guelph 125k

Acton 10k

Georgetown 45k

Mount Dennis 65k

Brampton 800k



Milton 155k

Mississauga 800k

Kitchener is over 300k based on the latest StatCan data, Waterloo is 144k, Guelph is 160k, Brampton is 800k.

That alone is 1.4 million.

Milton and Mississauga combine for 950k by comparison with the lastest StatCan data.

Frankly investing in the line with an extra 500k makes more sense.

 

[sixrings]

Kitchener is over 300k based on the latest StatCan data, Waterloo is 144k, Guelph is 160k, Brampton is 800k.

That alone is 1.4 million.

Milton and Mississauga combine for 950k by comparison with the lastest StatCan data.

Frankly investing in the line with an extra 500k makes more sense.

To make your numbers work you have to highly lean on Kitchener Waterloo which up until recently was a VIA destination.

Milton is 55 kms away while kitchener is 110. Guelph is 100 while acton is 75.

If we take from Georgetown to Toronto on the Kitchener line vs the Milton line we have basically identical numbers.

 

[KhalilHeron]

Investment on the Kitchener line right now is going to serve more people per dollar spent given the amount of work needed for 2 way all day service on the Milton line. Comparing the entire population of Mississauga also doesnt make much sense given many residents are closer to the Kitchener or Lakeshore lines anyway

 

[sixrings]

Investment on the Kitchener line right now is going to serve more people per dollar spent given the amount of work needed for 2 way all day service on the Milton line. Comparing the entire population of Mississauga also doesnt make much sense given many residents are closer to the Kitchener or Lakeshore lines anyway

It’s always a cost thing when it comes to Mississauga. We can bury eglinton LRT. We can build underground the Vaughan extension instead of above. We can build the danforth extension as a subway vs a rt conversion. We can bury downtown Brampton lrt. BUT God forbid we spend actual money serving the sixth biggest city in Canada.

 

[ZEBuilder]

It’s always a cost thing when it comes to Mississauga. We can bury eglinton LRT. We can build underground the Vaughan extension instead of above. We can build the danforth extension as a subway vs a rt conversion. We can bury downtown Brampton lrt. BUT God forbid we spend actual money serving the sixth biggest city in Canada.

Money is being spent on the sixth biggest city. The LRT is being funded by the province and feds. Heck KW paid for 30% of their's so how about Mississauga ponies up the money for 30% of Hurontario? The mayor's asking for funding for operations, should KW do the same? You don't see KW complaining about it, let them have just a tiny bit of money spent on them for once.

 

[sixrings]

Money is being spent on the sixth biggest city. The LRT is being funded by the province and feds. Heck KW paid for 30% of their's so how about Mississauga ponies up the money for 30% of Hurontario? The mayor's asking for funding for operations, should KW do the same? You don't see KW complaining about it, let them have just a tiny bit of money spent on them for once.

I’m happy to pay. I’m sorry I don’t speak for all mississaugans or the mayor. But there’s plenty of projects that are paid for by others.

 

[urbancog]

For reference, the province first promised all day 2 way service to Georgetown in 2009. That’s when the EA was published. It’ll likely take another 4 years (just my guess) before that’s delivered.

Milton will, eventually, get AD2W service and probably in less than 20 years from 1st commitment.