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2025 Canadian General Election

My hope is this is the moment the NDP go the way of the British Liberal party. In the FPTP setup, a two party system can best reflect the will of the people.
Even if that were true - that is, the NDP and the Greens would disappear over night - the BQ will likely never go away…defeating any prospect of a two party state. Plus it would never be in our best interests for that to happen.
 
My hope is this is the moment the NDP go the way of the British Liberal party. In the FPTP setup, a two party system can best reflect the will of the people.
I presume you're talking about the UK Liberals in their post-WWII super-rump status (i.e. when Tory & Labour combined could get over ***95%*** of the vote). However, I'd argue that the Libs/Lib Dems have had a *very* interesting afterlife, if often rocky and never really in contention for prime ministerial power (and the closest they came, in the 2010 Cameron/Clegg accord, was a near-disaster--yet they've come back from *that* by feasting off disgraced Tory entrails; and they've also forever been a quirky gadfly force on municipal councils). And I prefer that "interesting afterlife" state of affairs to the super-rump status quo of the 1950s...
 
My thoughts on the English debate:
-Mark Carney largely weathered the storm. He was attacked on all fronts from everyone, and many people thought he was gonna do absolutely horrible in the debate. He held his own in my view, but some of his answers, he flubbed, especially when he said that China is Canada number 1 threat and when he was trying to defend his work at Brookfield Management. He looked very Prime Ministeral and calm and composed, most adult on stage. He also had a couple of moments where he was humorous. But overall, I think held his own.

-Pierre Poilievre's performance was rather predictable, and was largely what you would expect. Very much just repeating the same talking points over and over, and often just trying to link Carney to Trudeau, and acting like Trudeau was on the stage. He did however some strong moments on crime issues and also on cost of living issues as well. Ultimately though, he didn't land a knockout punch, though he did come close.

-Jagmeet Singh I feel, was trying to be forceful and be the guy to hold the main party leaders accountable. But you could tell he was kinda trying to make the case for a minority government. He was often arguing over Pierre Poilievre and Mark Carney which came across as rude. He was the clear loser of the debate in my opinion

-Yves Francois Blanchet I think was quite clearly a deer in the headlights and was essentially just begging everyone to talk about Quebec issues and was quite out of sync, though he was able to get some good attacks in on Carney.
 
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My thoughts on the English debate: Mark Carney largely weathered the storm. He was attacked on all fronts from everyone, and many people thought he was gonna do absolutely horrible in the debate. He held his own in my view, but some of his answers, he flubbed, especially when he said that China is Canada number 1 threat and when he was trying to defend his work at Brookfield Management. He looked very Prime Ministeral and calm and composed, most adult on stage. He also had a couple of moments where he was humorous. But overall, I think held his own. Pierre Poilievre's performance was rather predictable, and was largely what you would expect. Very much just repeating the same talking points over and over, and often just trying to link Carney to Trudeau, and acting like Trudeau was on the stage. He did however some strong moments on crime issues and also on cost of living issues as well. Ultimately though, he didn't land a knockout punch, though he did come close. Jagmeet Singh I feel, was trying to be forceful and be the guy to hold the main party leaders accountable. But you could tell he was kinda trying to make the case for a minority government. He was often arguing over Pierre Poilievre and Mark Carney which came across as rude. Yves Francois Blanchet I think was the clear loser. He was quite clearly a deer in the headlights and was essentially just begging everyone to talk about Quebec issues and was quite out of sync, though he was able to get some good attacks in on Carney.

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I am not sure what someone with an intellectual deficit like PP is expecting for a “knockout punch”, unless it completely appeases anti-intellectuals…

…which would be really bad for the rest of us. Because we know that worked for Trump. /bleh
 
I am not sure what someone with an intellectual deficit like PP is expecting for a “knockout punch”, unless it completely appeases anti-intellectuals…

…which would be really bad for the rest of us. Because we know that worked for Trump. /bleh
What I am saying is that PP and really all the opposition leaders needed some sort of moment that stuck with people and stuck to Carney as a negative. There were moments in the debate where yes, Carney looked evavise in his answers, but because the opposition leaders were unable to land a case or make a case against him as forcefully as we have seen in past debates, not much will change, IMO. Maybe you'll see some small changes polling wise but it just feels like more people are talking about Rebel News and the whole controversy surrounding the post debate scrum being cancelled tonight and the mess that was Wednesday night's scrum, then much of the actual debate itself.
 
What I am saying is that PP and really all the opposition leaders needed some sort of moment that stuck with people and stuck to Carney as a negative. There were moments in the debate where yes, Carney looked evavise in his answers, but because the opposition leaders were unable to land a case or make a case against him as forcefully as we have seen in past debates, not much will change, IMO. Maybe you'll see some small changes polling wise but it just feels like more people are talking about Rebel News and the whole controversy surrounding the post debate scrum being cancelled tonight and the mess that was Wednesday night's scrum, then much of the actual debate itself.
Fair enough…

….but I guess that my anxiety of how this election will go south like what happened with last US elections cloud my opinions here. And I don’t think that’s helpful. Rather as an astute friend pointed out to not put too much stake into the debates as they are unlikely to sway how the election will turn out. And you have pointed out that’s pretty much what’s happening here. Thank you for that. /bows
 
Rather as an astute friend pointed out to not put too much stake into the debates as they are unlikely to sway how the election will turn out

I'm not so sure.

My cousin is a devoted conservative but she was dismayed by PP after the debate.

She wanted something more than liberal bashing from the CPC and she didn't get much of it. She sees Trump as a threat to Canada and would rather vote Liberal if Mark Carney is the better person to handle him.

I'm the same way. I normally vote NDP but I'm a proud Canadian and am voting Liberal because I see Mark Carney as the best person to stand up to Trump.

We have a threat to Canada from the Oompa Loompa down south. Now is not the time for infighting, now is the time to protect Canada.

You may find some CPC and NDP supporters voting Liberal given the current situation
 
I'm not so sure.

My cousin is a devoted conservative but she was dismayed by PP after the debate.

She wanted something more than liberal bashing from the CPC and she didn't get much of it. She sees Trump as a threat to Canada and would rather vote Liberal if Mark Carney is the better person to handle him.

I'm the same way. I normally vote NDP but I'm a proud Canadian and am voting Liberal because I see Mark Carney as the best person to stand up to Trump.

We have a threat to Canada from the Oompa Loompa down south. Now is not the time for infighting, now is the time to protect Canada.

You may find some CPC and NDP supporters voting Liberal given the current situation
I get that…but I think most of that is happening regardless of the debates.
 
Trump is a temporary thing in the U.S. It too shall pass. Canada and Canadians should be focused on how to make Canada a strong sovereign nation and instead all I’m hearing is anxiety about what Trump will do. That’s noise and Canadians seem to be falling for this nonsense. Trump will be reigned in and his failed ideas and policies will be addressed by Americans. There is nothing Canada can do except to build up our own economy and be less of a vassal state to the U.S. Yet we are doing the opposite. Our economy has stagnated in 10 years and there is no economic imperative for businesses to invest and grow.

Poilievre seems to be the only politician yesterday that gets that and is talking about the future and now to build up our country with a core focus on domestic issues like housing, crime and economic development. Not more failed policies like carbon capture and more housing crown corporations and industrial taxes to kill off all growth.

I can’t imagine what kind of economy Canada will have after another 4 years of Liberal policies of inaction and reckless spending on dying industries like car manufacturing and focus on redistribution of wealth without growing the pie. Canada is a poorer and badly managed country now compared with 10 years ago. We have lost our momentum.

For all the billions spent by government nothing of value has been built to show for it. Even the new government programs for affordability like daycare aren’t working well and badly implemented with too many rules that limit which providers can opt in. We have barely built 1 pipeline in 17 years. The ring of fire has been talked about for decades and yet not a single road has been built. No east-west development of a hydro or transportation corridor. No high speed rail (promised in 2015). Heck even our existing Via service has deteriorated to a point of being non-functional with service worse than a bus at the cost of flying.

I’m sorry to be negative but Canadians need to wake up and vote for change in government for a change in substance. With Carney we get more of the same and by 2029 Trump will be gone but Canada will be one of the poorest countries in the G7 but hey maybe we will finally meet our carbon targets with 10%+ unemployment and homeless tents in our cities.
 
I’ve always distrust those who prattle on about change, when it mostly ends up with change for the worse. And they never tell us about all the bad stuff that comes with that loaded word…

…but I don’t want to get into a partisan debate who will be best to run the country. I will say that Trump won’t be going away any time soon, the uninformed decisions (to put that very mildly) will both have immediate and long term impacts on us (as well as the rest of the world) and I don’t have the confidence in the leadership of the Conservatives to see this country through that, let alone our country in good times. Too much salt, vitriol and divisiveness to be fit to run the country if you ask me. But hey, don’t let that stop you from voting for them.
 

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