Waterfront Transit Reset Phase 1 Study

[just east of the creek]

I gave up on email as I am still wait responses on questions and other things from everyone, with TTC failing to answer simple questions.

The days of us having any power or bending arms are gone as the power to be march to their own beat when they want to march at all.

Even Waterfront Toronto having a hard time trying to get anyone to listen to them or even fund various things as well accepting their request to change things.

Try get BlogTO to do a write up on this mess

I disagree with Drum on this issue. And with respect as I know Drum has been engaged in these areas for longer then I have been a member of UT.

However, I find that well written emails, copied to your local councillor, mayor (etc) will receive a reply or acknowledgment, even if less then satisfactory. Facts are inportant, well stated points of view and respectful disagreements of opinion work. But what is vitally important, is that you, as a constituent are expressing a valid opinion, and if this is repeated by enough people and on an ongoing basis, will be recognized as such. BlogTO is hardly a highly rated source of accurate reporting, but there are other news organizations in the city with longstanding track records that can be engaged with as well.

This type of engagement, over a period of time, with a specific goal in mind, is a ‘political’ campaign. If you are pursuing your point of view with the goal of changing people’s minds, you will require diligence, supportable fact and both public and peer pressure.

Public engagement can be a long, long process (witness the fight against further quarries in Halton Region along the escarpment ) but being part of the process, even a very small part, beats being on the sidelines any day.

UT is an excellent forum for the exchange of ideas and information. It also reminds us that although we may feel that we are absolutely correct and have all the facts to support our position, someone else does not agree, and however unhinged we may privately beleive they are, their passion for a belief may be as valid as ours.

 

[AHK]

Would it be to much to hope for some QQE LRT project funding....?

Media Advisory: Tri-government announcement about Toronto's waterfront​

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News provided by​

Waterfront Toronto
Jan 27, 2025, 19:15 ET

TORONTO, Jan. 27, 2025 /CNW/ - Members of the media are invited for a significant tri-government announcement about Toronto's waterfront. The Honourable Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Minister of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities, the Honourable Kinga Surma, Ontario's Minister of Infrastructure, and Olivia Chow, Mayor of Toronto will offer remarks.​

Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2025
Time: 8:30 am EDT (Check-in begins at 8:00 am)
Location: Waterfront Innovation Centre, 155 Queens Quay E #125, Toronto, ON M5A 1B6
SOURCE Waterfront Toronto

 

[rbt]

Would it be to much to hope for some QQE LRT project funding....?

Ford (tri-government) funding of QQE? Yes, hoping for that is too much at this time as there's no incentive for them to do so.

The city needs to be prepared to do it cheap and by themselves if they want something before 2040. Abandon the tunnel option for QQE, order a small number of double-ended cars, and terminate on Bay at street-level near Scotiabank arena; passengers can use the Teamways. Tender it. While this is out to tender Ford will complain about the removal of vehicle lanes on Bay. The city can then offer to tender the tunnel option if the province funds all added costs.

At that point Ford probably orders Metrolinx to take over the project as a $5B elevated branch of the Ontario Line or something similarly oversized on QQE but with zero portlands coverage.

 

[Jeff Morgan]

Would it be to much to hope for some QQE LRT project funding....?

Media Advisory: Tri-government announcement about Toronto's waterfront​

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News provided by​

Waterfront Toronto
Jan 27, 2025, 19:15 ET

TORONTO, Jan. 27, 2025 /CNW/ - Members of the media are invited for a significant tri-government announcement about Toronto's waterfront. The Honourable Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Minister of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities, the Honourable Kinga Surma, Ontario's Minister of Infrastructure, and Olivia Chow, Mayor of Toronto will offer remarks.​

Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2025
Time: 8:30 am EDT (Check-in begins at 8:00 am)
Location: Waterfront Innovation Centre, 155 Queens Quay E #125, Toronto, ON M5A 1B6
SOURCE Waterfront Toronto

From Toronto Star's coverage of the announcement:

The new money announced on Tuesday morning did not include a funding parcel for the long-discussed, but yet-unfunded Waterfront East Light Rail Transit line, which city hall has framed as fundamental to serve the thousands of new residents as the area transforms.

 

[drum118]

As expected, it was for housing with the LRT out out of the picture. Great for housing, but how do people get to/from them without transit other than the car??
Toronto waterfront revitalization getting $975M boost to speed up development

 

[DSCToronto]

As expected, it was for housing with the LRT out out of the picture. Great for housing, but how do people get to/from them without transit other than the car??
Toronto waterfront revitalization getting $975M boost to speed up development

Don't worry. Both City and WT promised "Transit First" -- oh, that was in 2008!

 

[nfitz]

They have to put transit into Villiers Island. There's no where near enough road capacity to handle it.

 

[drum118]

They have to put transit into Villiers Island. There's no where near enough road capacity to handle it.

Just wait tell the park open and you will see it sooner than later. TTC Vision of having Buses First will be a mess caught up in traffic all day long.

 

[nfitz]

Just wait tell the park open and you will see it sooner than later. TTC Vision of having Buses First will be a mess caught up in traffic all day long.

I can't believe the hourly demand for a park is going to be a factor. Surely a rounding error on the non-park traffic, based on what I've observed at Corktown Common.

 

[evandyk]

Cherry Beach snarls up traffic on sunny weekends. This could be a similar draw.

 

[DSCToronto]

Cherry Beach snarls up traffic on sunny weekends. This could be a similar draw.

I think the vehicle traffic is more to The Docks/Polson Pier on Polson St. Traffic gets tied up at the Beach as there is shortage of parking there on hot weekends so cars circle around.

 

[nfitz]

Cherry Beach snarls up traffic on sunny weekends. This could be a similar draw.

I doubt it. An engineered wetland and stream won't have the same draw as a lakefront beach. Are there even any swimming areas for this new park?

 

[rdaner]

^I think that the new waters edge system will be extremely popular.

 

[drum118]

I doubt it. An engineered wetland and stream won't have the same draw as a lakefront beach. Are there even any swimming areas for this new park?

Once the playgrounds are built, it will be drawing a lot of visitors with young children as well strolling the river and getting a good view of Toronto downtown.

Don't worry. Both City and WT promised "Transit First" -- oh, that was in 2008!

You mean 2002 and now going into the 23rd year with no results so far.

 

[nfitz]

Once the playgrounds are built, it will be drawing a lot of visitors with young children as well strolling the river and getting a good view of Toronto downtown.

I don't think that visitors to Toronto are going to be driving downtown and creating congestion on Cherry.

I think this park will mostly be used for those living locally - of which there are almost none currently.